2007-2008 Ovechkin Or 2018-2019 Kucherov?

[GlitchMarner]

Who's the better player?

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[Filthy Dangles]

Mr 65 goals quite easily

 

[Brucelenok]

The guy who outscored his next closest teammate by 43 points

 

[bobholly39]

I mean he's on pace for 135 points...i voted Kucherov

 

[authentic]

Mentioned this in another thread, worth mentioning here. Ovechkin had 96 points in his first 60 games when scoring was lower in 2009-10, and most people think 07-08 Ovechkin > 09-10 Ovechkin, even though I think they were basically equal. The season is not over yet but it's tough to say he's not on that level.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

It's OV, though Kucherov is having a hell of a season.

 

[Sam Spade]

Better comparison would have been '06-'07 Crosby.

I voted Ovechkin.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

By the looks off it kucherov is well on his way. Ovechkin won the ross by 6 points and let’s not forget a certain someone missed 28 games.

If kucherov wins the ross by 20+ points than easily him

 

[Nadal On Clay]

If Kucherov gets 125+ pts with a 15+ points advantage on the 2nd, then it’s him.

Guy has a chance, albeit a small one, to reach the 100 assists mark. That’s crazy stuff.

What’s even crazier is that the top 3 offensive seasons since the 2005 lockout might be accomplished by 3 different Russian players if Kucherov keeps his pace.

 

[TheGuiminator]

It's OV, though Kucherov is having a hell of a season.

Is Ovechkin's 07/08 season so untouchable? What would it take for Kucherov to surpass it? A 200 points season?

 

[filinski77]

Kucherov's season is amazing, but not as good as Ovi's.

-Ovi lead #2 in points by 6% (Kuch is by 10% right now and that's the only place he's marginally doing better in)
-Ovi lead #2 in goals by 25% (Kuch is currently 45% behind Ovi in goals)
-Ovi lead his own team by 62% in points (Kuch is 27% above Point in points)
-Ovi lead his own team by 150% in goals - he had 65 and Semin was 2nd with 26 (Kuch is currently 3rd in goals, 21% behind Point)

The average goals this season is up ~10% from 2007/2008, adjust Ovi's stats to the league avg. goals this year, and Ovi would have had 72 goals and 123 points.

 

[authentic]

Is Ovechkin's 07/08 season so untouchable? What would it take for Kucherov to surpass it? A 200 points season?

I get the 65 goals thing, but it's strange how Stamkos' 60 goal season doesn't get talked about as nearly as good as some 104-113 point seasons, especially considering 2011-12 was lower scoring than 07-08 (eight 90+ point scorers and nineteen 80+ in 07-08 compared to three 90+ and nine 80+ in 2011-12), and their next closest linemates in points were only 2 points apart. Plus Stamkos scored 48 at ES (37 for Ovechkin) and had no empty net goals compared to 5 for Ovechkin.

Also the top 10 goal scorers in 2007-08 besides Ovechkin:

52
50
47
43
43
42
41
40
40
38

2011-12:

50
41
40
38
37
37
37
37
36
35

Point being, if Stamkos' season isn't clearly better than McDavid's past few seasons then why would Ovechkin's be clearly better than Kucherov if he gets 125+ this season?

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Is Ovechkin's 07/08 season so untouchable? What would it take for Kucherov to surpass it? A 200 points season?

It's already been pointed out. But basically it's the 44pt lead on his closest team mate and 65 goals is arguably the best goal scoring season ever.

Since Kucherov is so far behind in goals, he'd have to get a big ross win. At least 20pts imo.

 

[authentic]

With that said, I'll vote when the season is done. If he keeps up this pace or close to it it's hard not to vote for him, and that's coming from someone who witnessed how dominant Ovechkin was then.

 

[authentic]

It's already been pointed out. But basically it's the 44pt lead on his closest team mate and 65 goals is arguably the best goal scoring season ever.

Since Kucherov is so far behind in goals, he'd have to get a big ross win. At least 20pts imo.

What are your thoughts on how Stamkos' 60 goal season compares? Refer to my post above.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

I get the 65 goals thing, but it's strange how Stamkos' 60 goal season doesn't get talked about as nearly as good as some 104-113 point seasons, especially considering 2011-12 was lower scoring than 07-08 (eight 90+ point scorers and nineteen 80+ in 07-08 compared to three 90+ and nine 80+ in 2011-12), and their next closest linemates in points were only 2 points apart. Plus Stamkos scored 48 at ES (37 for Ovechkin) and had no empty net goals compared to 5 for Ovechkin.

Also the top 10 goal scorers in 2007-08 besides Ovechkin:

52
50
47
43
43
42
41
40
40
38

2011-12:

50
41
40
38
37
37
37
37
36
35

Point being, if Stamkos' season isn't clearly better than McDavid's past few seasons then why would Ovechkin's be clearly better than Kucherov if he gets 125+ this season?

Stamkos was a mile behind in the ross race, OV won. Stamkos didn't have the separation from his team OV did. Also OV was a one man show who dragged a team that was 14th in the conference the previous year into the playoffs while Stamkos didn't take Tampa anywhere.

It was a great season, but OV's was better.

 

[ijif]

Using the VsX method, Ovechkin in 07-08 would have 95 points this season, right now. In 07-08, 58 percent of his points were goals. Using that information, we could estimate Ovechkin's stat line as followed:
07-08 Ovechkin (this year, right now): 60GP 55G 40A 95PTS

 

[authentic]

Stamkos was a mile behind in the ross race, OV won. Stamkos didn't have the separation from his team OV did. Also OV was a one man show who dragged a team that was 14th in the conference the previous year into the playoffs while Stamkos didn't take Tampa anywhere.

It was a great season, but OV's was better.

I'm talking about in regards to goal scoring only, I know Ovechkin's season was better overall. You said Ovechkin's 65 is arguably the greatest goal scoring season ever, which I don't deny btw, but I'm wondering how close do you consider Stamkos scoring 60 in a lower scoring season, and more at ES and the same amount on a goalie?

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

I'm talking about in regards to goal scoring only, I know Ovechkin's season was better overall. You said Ovechkin's 65 is arguably the greatest goal scoring season ever, which I don't deny btw, but I'm wondering how close do you consider Stamkos scoring 60 in a lower scoring season, and more at ES and the same amount on a goalie?

Every goal counts the same, I don't think it's necessary to get into ES, EN, etc. But yes in terms of goals only, Stamkos is up there near the top.

 

[authentic]

Every goal counts the same, I don't think it's necessary to get into ES, EN, etc. But yes in terms of goals only, Stamkos is up there near the top.

Fair enough, I only menton it because I think there's seemingly a drastic difference in how their goal scoring seasons are perceived when one was hardly better than the other.

But if Stamkos wasn't better than 2013-14 Crosby or last years McDavid because of 60 goals, why would Ovechkin be considered better than 125-30 point Kucherov?

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

It's already been pointed out. But basically it's the 44pt lead on his closest team mate and 65 goals is arguably the best goal scoring season ever.

Since Kucherov is so far behind in goals, he'd have to get a big ross win. At least 20pts imo.

Which is looking likely

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Peak Ovechkin is the best player since Mario.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Fair enough, I only menton it because I think there's seemingly a drastic difference in how their goal scoring seasons are perceived when one was hardly better than the other.

But if Stamkos wasn't better than 2013-14 Crosby or last years McDavid because of 60 goals, why would Ovechkin be considered better than 125-30 point Kucherov?

It's already been pointed out why OV > Stamkos and OV > Kucherov. Don't know what this has to do with Crosby or McDavid.

 

[COHawk]

If Kucherov gets 125+ pts with a 15+ points advantage on the 2nd, then it’s him.

Guy has a chance, albeit a small one, to reach the 100 assists mark. That’s crazy stuff.

What’s even crazier is that the top 3 offensive seasons since the 2005 lockout might be accomplished by 3 different Russian players if Kucherov keeps his pace.

That would be quite insane regardless of era. Only been done 13 times, never by anyone not named Gretzky, Lemieux, or Orr.

 

[authentic]

It's already been pointed out why OV > Stamkos and OV > Kucherov. Don't know what this has to do with Crosby or McDavid.

I think you're misunderstanding me but whatever, I just don't think it will be crazy to consider a 125-130 point player (if he reaches that) better than Ovechkin in 2007-08, 65 goals or not. Either way it will be close I think.