2004 vs 2005

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  1. Chuckalinsky

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    Talent wise, how do the potential top three picks of 04 compare to the potential top three picks in 05? I know Crosby and Ovechkin are close but what about the other high end talents?
     
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    Just guessing right now, but I think Malkin , then the #2 and #3 picks in 2005, then the #3 pick in 2004.
     
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    1a. Ovechkin
    1b. Crosby
    2. Malkin
    Then prob the 3 and 4 are prob from the 05' draft, then Olesz. Im not thrilled with Olesz even though he could become a good player. His concussion history scares me.
     
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    ...and Malkin's doesn't?

    ~Crazed.
     
  5. pittengineer

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    Malkin has only had one concussion, which was this past year. If I remember right, isn't this Olesz third already? Way to many before turning pro as concussions come progressive easier the more you have.
     
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    On present ability Crosby and Ovechkin followed by Malkin, Olesz, Brule and Latendresse in that order.

    As prospects Crosby followed by Malkin, Ovechkin, Latendresse and Brule in that order.

    Just guessing of course! :dunno:
     
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    my top 6
    1)Crosby
    2)Ovechkin
    3)Malkin
    4)Latendresse
    5)Brule
    6)Barker
     
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    Top 5 04
    Ovechkin
    Malkin
    Olesz
    Barker
    Tukonen

    Top 5 05
    Crosby
    Brule
    Latendresse
    Anikeenko
    Bertram

    Crosby>Ovecchkin
    Malkin=Brule
    Latendresse>Olesz
    Barker>Anikeenko
    Tukonen>Bertram
     
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    I see it like this.

    Crosby = Ovechkin. I don't see how Crosby is any better. At all.
    Malkin > Brule.
    Olesz > Latendresse.
    Barker > Anikeenko.
    Bertram < Tukonen
     
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    No one has mentioned Brian Little. :shakehead
     
  11. moosefan

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    Little is 2006 ranked by the way.


    here is mine


    1. Sidney Crosby
    2. Alexander Ovechkin
    3. Gilbert Brule
    4. Daniel Bertram
    5. Latendresse

    as for Anikeenko and Barker comparisons, I have seen both play live and Anikeenko blows Barker out of the water for almost every aspect of the game. He was the best d-man at this years U-17s and is impressive at both ends of the rink and with physical play.

    I think besides Ovechkin the top 5 for 2005 are better.
     
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    I think Teemu Laakso is better than those two. Teemu Laakso was best d-man U-18 championship and he was injured there. I´am sure that he goes TOP5 2005 draft.
     
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    What kind of history!? He had only one concussion, at WJCH. That´s all.
     
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    What about Voskyukov or something like that. i heard he might be the next pavel bure with healthy knees. maybe he is in the 2006 draft also.
     
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    Alexander Vasyunov. He's tabbed as an early favorite for #1 in the 2006 draft and should be a top 5 selection. Other prospects getting hype for that draft are Phil Kessel (USA), Sergei Belyakov (RUS), and Jesse Jonesuu (FIN). Some of those might be spelled incorrectly.
     
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    2004

    Ovechkin
    Malkin
    Olesz
    Barker
    Tukonen

    2005

    Crosby
    Brule
    Bertram
    Anikeenko
    Ryan


    Ovechkin=Crosby
    Brule>Malkin
    Bertram>Olesz
    Barker>Anikeenko
    Tukonen>Ryan

    I think they're pretty even.
     
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    I'd rate Crosby a bit higher than Ovechkin. He just seems like a more complete player who will always put up big numbers. With the change to North American hockey, Ovechkin might not be as dominant. We'll see.
     
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    That's not the way it was reported in Canada at the time of the Phaneuf hit. They seemed to think he'd had a number.
     
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    Ovechkin is arguably/arguably not one of the top fifty 18 year olds of all time. Sid is arguably the best 16 year old of all time.
     
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    Ever heard of Wayne Gretzky? How about Mario Lemieux?
     
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    Now THAT is biased.
     
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    For some reason, I think CrosbyFan has some type of affection for Crosby. Maybe I'm wrong. :)
     
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    Arguably the best two players of all time but Orr was the closest to Sid at 16. You can make the argument Wayne and Mario were better at 16 as well, but if you use the names they made for themselves, or their play at 17 or 18 or later then you have no point. My point is that Wayne and Mario were clearly better than Ovechkin all compared at 18. Ovechkin may become the best player ever but unless he improves a lot in the next few months I wouldn't say he was one of the top ten 18 year olds ever. Right now he's arguably/arguably not one of the top 50.

    Edit: Just to add fuel to the fire; Ovechkin was arguably/arguably not one of the top fifteen 17 year olds of all time!
     
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    Of course.
     
  25. Vlad The Impaler

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    You know, I've known a few people who were students of the game in the 50s, 60s, 70, 80s and 90s and they still had all the pain in the world comparing all the different players in all the different eras.

    Of all time? Top fifteen?

    What kind of top fifteen? How do you come to these conclusions? How did you collect the hockey data of all time? Is this worldwide as well? Like, all time, all places?

    I've never been a fan of comparing different eras and different leagues for the reason that, despite having a pretty high confidence level, I do not feel I am up to the task nor have I have ever seen the most knowledgeable folks I have met and talked with agree on those things.

    Given that posters at HF have all the trouble in the world coming up with a top 10 of, say, the best centers in the NHL right now, it will take some kickass fireworks to wow me and get me to take seriously claims that Crosby is top this as a 16 years old, Ovechkin a top that as a 17 years old and a top thingy as an 18 years old.

    So yeah, I do think your claims had fuel to the fire but I also feel they are pretty much just words devoid of context. Not really demonstrable, not really refutable. Kind of like saying: God exists/God doesn't exist. What is there to say to this stuff? Not much, unless we want to enter a debate of futility.

    I just don't think they can be compared very accurately, much less rated in an an ambitious all-encompassing historical context. But feel free to wow me :D
     
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