2003 draft Revisited

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My top 30:

1.Zherdev
2.Fleury
3.Staal
4.Horton
5.Suter
6.Phaneuf
7.Bergeron
8.Parise
9.Getzlaf
10.Carter
11.Vanek
12.Kostitsyn
13.Brown
14.Richards
15.Coburn
16.Stewart
17.Seabrook
18.Burns
19.Perry
20.Weber
21.O'Sullivan
22.Stuart
23.Bernier
24.Kesler
25.Fritsche
26.Ericksson
27.Jessiman
28.Belle
29.Vrana
30.Eaves
 

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1. Zherdev
2. Staal
3. Horton
4. Phaneuf
5. Suter
6. Carter
7. Bergeron
8. Vanek
9. Getzlaf
10. Parise
11. Brown
12. Fleury
13. O'Sullivan
14. Stewart
15. Kostitsyn
16. Coburn
17. Seabrook
18. Eriksson
19. Perry
20. Burns
21. Richards
22. Weber
23. Fritsche
24. Belle
25. Stuart
26. Weber
27. Vrana
28. Bernier
29. Eaves
30. Kesler
 
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I take Kesler over Richards because he is a far better skater. Also Kesler proved just as much at last year's World Junior final in leadership and grit as Richards did at this one and Kesler is only 5 months older. Kesler is scoring almost as well in the AHL as Richards is in Junior hockey.

I take him over Getzlaf because Getzlaf is still clumpsy with the puck. He will get killed at the next level if he does not improve upon this. Getzlaf right now is too big and strong for most Juniors. He will not be at the pro level. I see Getzlaf limited to the role of power forward or maybe a Scatchard like center. I think Kesler has more aspects to his game.

I agree that Vanek has better upside potential than Kesler. Vanek could be great. But he is very poor without the puck and does not use his teammates well. If you compare stats right now in the AHL they are as follows

Kesler 14 16 30
Vanek 15 9 24

Biggest stat maybe that Kesler is a +16 and Vanek, on maybe the best team, in the AHL is -1. Also Kesler has to go against the other teams top line every night and Vanek has scored 10 goals on the power play.

Vanek probably has as much offensive potential as any in the draft. But there are some pretty glaring holes in his game.
 

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1. Phaneuf
2. Zherdev
3. Bergeron
4. Horton
5. Fleury
6. Staal
7. Suter
8. Carter
9. Vanek
10. Michalek
11. Getzlaf
12. Brown
13. Parise
14. Richards
15. Coburn
16. Kesler
17. Kostitsyn
18. Seabrook
19. Fritsche
20. Stewart
21. Burns
22. Weber
23. O'Sullivan
24. Belle
25. Stuart
26. Jessiman
27. Eaves
28. Bernier
29. Vrana
30. Perry



Thats how I see it happening. I'm sure many people will disagree with Phaneuf at number 1 but a defensmen of his caliber is much more difficult to come by then a one dimensional forward like Zherdev. I like Zherdev's offensive skill a lot though. Bergeron and Zherdev were very close, as well as Fleury and Horton. This is such a strong draft that there is no consensus number one pick.

Nice list but I would put 19 year old Bergeron ahead of 20 year old Zherdev.
 

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UWSaint said:
Still, there are plenty of flaws to Getzalf's game (hands, speed, first step).

Did you watch the World Juniors? Doesn't sound like it. Skating is not a flaw in Getzlaf's game and neither are his hands. Doesn't sound like you've seen him play very much.
 

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Professional scouts only 1 and a half years ago had Fleury ranked anywhere from 1-4

some of you, without ever seeing him play in more than a handful of games take his ranking out of the top 5 and top 10

you people need to lay off the crack
 

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PanthersRule said:
So basically, DUdley was smart and got a guy who would've gone #1 in FLA's books at 3 and second rounders and stuff.

Dudley didn't pull in that much from the Penguins.

Penguins:
1st overall (Marc-Andre Fleury)
3rd rounder, 73rd overall (Daniel Carcillo)

Panthers:
3rd overall (Nathan Horton)
2nd rounder, 55th overall (Stefan Meyer)
LW Mikael Samuelsson - since non-qualified
 
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Chaos said:
1. Zherdev
2. Staal
3. Horton
4. Phaneuf
5. Suter
6. Carter
7. Bergeron
8. Vanek
9. Getzlaf
10. Parise
11. Brown
12. Fleury
13. O'Sullivan
14. Stewart
15. Kostitsyn
16. Coburn
17. Seabrook
18. Eriksson
19. Perry
20. Burns
21. Richards
22. Weber
23. Fritsche
24. Belle
25. Stuart
26. Perry
27. Weber
28. Vrana
29. Bernier
30. Kesler


Cory Perry must be amazing. How many kids go twice in the same draft? :)
 

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Did you watch the World Juniors? Doesn't sound like it. Skating is not a flaw in Getzlaf's game and neither are his hands. Doesn't sound like you've seen him play very much.

Hmm, hard too imagine a guy without flaws that is 6'4" putting up a point a game in his fourth year of juniors. . . .

Doesn't seem to me you know what a "flaw" is in the world of NHL prospects. . . . We aren't talking about skating well; we are talking about skating NHL-well.

Getzalf is a very good prospect who will be a NHL checker (read 4th line) or spacemaker on more talented lines if he doesn't improve further on these facets of his game. Its not a crticism of his potential; it's just where he is (and why guys like Staal went way ahead of him).
 

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I'm just happy Vrana is finally slipping into the top round.....who here thinks RedLine will be running their mouth about that in their next article.
 

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1. Zherdev
2. Staal
3. Fleury
4. Horton
5. Suter
6. Phaneuf
7. Getzlaf
8. Parise
9. Carter
10. Michalek
11. Brown
12. Vanek
13. Bergeron
14. Richards
15. Stewart
16. Coburn
17. Seabrook
18. Fritsche
19. Perry
20. Stewart
21. Kostitsyn
22. Weber
23. O'Sullivan
24. Burns
25. Stuart
26. Vrana
27. Eaves
28. Bernier
29. Kesler
30. Burns
 

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1. Fleury
2. Phaneuf
3. Carter
4. Horton
5. Zherdev
6. Suter
7. Bergeron
8. Parise
9. Staal
10. Vanek
11. Michalek
12. O'Sullivan
13. Richards
14. Fehr
15. Stewart
16. Getzlaf
17. Kostitsyn
18. Brown
19. Coburn
20. Perry
21. Seabrook
22. Fritsche
23. Stuart
24. Belle
25. Burns
26. Kesler
27. Bernier
28. Weber
29. Pouliot
30. Stone
 

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Mr Bugg said:
1. Fleury
2. Phaneuf
3. Carter
4. Horton
5. Zherdev
6. Suter
7. Bergeron
8. Parise
9. Staal
10. Vanek
11. Michalek
12. O'Sullivan
13. Richards
14. Fehr
15. Stewart
16. Getzlaf
17. Kostitsyn
18. Brown
19. Coburn
20. Perry
21. Seabrook
22. Fritsche
23. Stuart
24. Belle
25. Burns
26. Kesler
27. Bernier
28. Weber
29. Pouliot
30. Stone

Staal 9th is a freakin joke.
 

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No way in hell does fluery drop out of top 5 even knmowing what we know today. He is one of the elite talents of his draft class. Now because he has struggled at the WJC he is 10-15 talnet of his draft and someone even said middle of round 2? That is ludicrous.
 

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I don't think if the draft was re done today that any of the picks would drastically change. Teams draft players where they are weak, so its not like if Florida held on the #1 pick they would draft Phanuef, they like Horton and they are prepared to take him 1st overall. I do think however Dion Phanuef would of been drafted in the top 5 if the draft was re done.
 

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I don't see Polliot, Tambellini, Nilsson,Eaves, Boyle in the top round. Admit Eaves and Boyle are doing ok at Boston College but think others have moved ahead of them) Jessiman is MIA so hard to rate his progress

I think this open to a lot of debate.

What's MIA mean? I know that he is injured, but I don't know what MIA means. :dunno:
 

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No way in hell does fluery drop out of top 5 even knmowing what we know today. He is one of the elite talents of his draft class. Now because he has struggled at the WJC he is 10-15 talnet of his draft and someone even said middle of round 2? That is ludicrous.
UMMM... What do we know now about Fleury? :dunno: :help:
 

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Big Bill said:
No way in hell does fluery drop out of top 5 even knmowing what we know today. He is one of the elite talents of his draft class. Now because he has struggled at the WJC he is 10-15 talnet of his draft and someone even said middle of round 2? That is ludicrous.


Have to agree. And if the Pens had stayed at three Fleury would have gone at two, which is why the Pens moved (at very little cost of moving, a second). Fleury remains a top five talent in that draft and would be taken right where he should have been, top five. Add to that, the fact that had they drafted differently taking one of the top forwards instead they may not have ended up last and gotten Malkin. Fleury and Malkin is a core that many teams would die to start with. And I did not even add the lower round picks the Pens got that year and preceding and subsequent years that are coming together.

Even in hindsight I am very very happy with Fleury and look forward to seeing what he will do when the NHL starts up again.

ps: whoever said that he would have been a hindsight mid-second round pick really needs some IQ :help:
 

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Broadway Crosby said:
UMMM... What do we know now about Fleury? :dunno: :help:

I was refering to the detractors who said he would have been taken around 15 as they were indicating his stock had dropped which I do not think it has at all. I should have been more clear.

The one who said he would be a 2nd rder... :shakehead
 

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I was refering to the detractors who said he would have been taken around 15 as they were indicating his stock had dropped which I do not think it has at all. I should have been more clear.

The one who said he would be a 2nd rder... :shakehead
What do they mean by "What we know now"? Am I missing something?
 

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Broadway Crosby said:
What do they mean by "What we know now"? Am I missing something?

I think that they are referring to the one soft goal in the WJC last year and the fact that Lehtonen has a small bit better of a goals against this year. If Lehtonen has a dry spell and Fleury goes on a run watch the lemmings tell you 'what they know now' about the two all over again.
 
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