GDT: #20: Lightning 6 at FLYERS 5 (OT), Saturday, Nov. 17 2018, 1:00 p.m. ET

[Beef Invictus]

The results are similar to what they were doing under Lavi and Berube.

I'm starting to think it's the players, and a function of styles and the changing NHL>

Giroux, Voracek, even Weal are "stop and survey" type players, Giroux and Weal hold the puck looking for a pass, Voracek holds the puck and skates with it hoping something will open up.

Couts, JVR and Simmonds simply aren't suited to an up tempo game.

What has changed is the 4th line can skate and forecheck, but they lack the puck skills to be an offensive force. But they create havoc now instead of sitting back on their heels.

The three up tempo players are Patrick, Lindblom and TK.
Giroux can play up tempo but it's not as natural for him, coming into the league when the game was slower and more deliberate.
Voracek can still skate, but he's so used to holding the puck it's also hard for him to adjust.

I don't think you need 9 guys flying up and down the ice, but in today's game you need more than the Flyers have.
So just getting a coach who wants to play more up tempo won't be enough, Flyers need more forwards who can skate and have the skills to make things happen on the fly.

Good God, it's 3 drastically different systems. The results aren't anything alike. Stop lying.

 

[Striiker]

Hakstols own wife and kids don’t even love him this much.

The obsession with defending this guy is insane.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The results are similar to what they were doing under Lavi and Berube.

I'm starting to think it's the players, and a function of styles and the changing NHL>

Giroux, Voracek, even Weal are "stop and survey" type players, Giroux and Weal hold the puck looking for a pass, Voracek holds the puck and skates with it hoping something will open up.

Couts, JVR and Simmonds simply aren't suited to an up tempo game.

What has changed is the 4th line can skate and forecheck, but they lack the puck skills to be an offensive force. But they create havoc now instead of sitting back on their heels.

The three up tempo players are Patrick, Lindblom and TK.
Giroux can play up tempo but it's not as natural for him, coming into the league when the game was slower and more deliberate.
Voracek can still skate, but he's so used to holding the puck it's also hard for him to adjust.

I don't think you need 9 guys flying up and down the ice, but in today's game you need more than the Flyers have.
So just getting a coach who wants to play more up tempo won't be enough, Flyers need more forwards who can skate and have the skills to make things happen on the fly.

I agree with most of what you said, but I think you have an incredible blind spot for Patrick & Lindblom. I like both of them, but uptempo they are not. Indeed, they are more of the same — below average speed for skill players in 2018-19. I’d really prefer they be 3rd liners this season where the team isn’t relying on them so much. I’ll harp again on my belief they need another dynamic forward who *can* play a skating game. Put him with JVR & either TK or Jak on line 2 & then you’ve got a forward group that can do real damage in 18/19.

 

[Flyers1928]

someone tell my how many empty seats today. f***ing 30th PK still and no ones been fired. good god i started cheering for the flyers cause they were always competitive. now they're a f***ing joke.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Okay game summary? I was drinking today

Here's what happened. We got down 5-1 and our good players got us tied 5-5. We lost in OT, but grabbed that precious loser point, and in the process once again delayed the inevitable Hakstok Fired Parade.

 

[Striiker]

Patrick, Lindblom, Sanheim, and Ghost for Nylander.

Who says no?

We desperately need this winger because of our horrible lack of speed and skill.

 

[klutch]

Here's what happened. We got down 5-1 and our good players got us tied 5-5. We lost in OT, but grabbed that precious loser point, and in the process once again delayed the inevitable Hakstok Fired Parade.

Sounds like I would have turned it off early.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Sounds like I would have turned it off early.

Imagine loading a tommygun with muffins instead of bullets and just holding down the trigger while you aim at a bunch of guys' ankles and shin pads. That was our first two periods.

 

[Philly Fanatik]

Patrick, Lindblom, Sanheim, and Ghost for Nylander.

Who says no?

We desperately need this winger because of our horrible lack of speed and skill.

We need a....
New approach from a new coach!
That's all!
Hakstol's shit has fallen on deaf ears from his team!

 

[FlyerNutter]

In a sick way, I do wonder what it would take.

A part of me thinks even a 10 gamer wouldn’t get Hextall to do it. I want this to get as painful as possible. Want the fire Hex/Hak chants to be heard and not even the fanboy media crew to be able to drown them out. Its purely laughing at the dark side of things at this point.

How the f*** did it come to this?

 

[freakydallas13]

In a sick way, I do wonder what it would take.

A part of me thinks even a 10 gamer wouldn’t get Hextall to do it. I want this to get as painful as possible. Want the fire Hex/Hak chants to be heard and not even the fanboy media crew to be able to drown them out. Its purely laughing at the dark side of things at this point.

How the **** did it come to this?

I mean, Honk has already had two 10 game losing streaks, which, is twice as many as John Stevens had here btw.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

This is correct.

Truth is there is no system holding them back. That whole notion is a total crock invented by people who don’t want to admit that their heroes have flaws.

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holy shit.. do you really believe that ??


ok im guessing ur just joking around...

 

[klutch]

Imagine loading a tommygun with muffins instead of bullets and just holding down the trigger while you aim at a bunch of guys' ankles and shin pads. That was our first two periods.

Where the f*** do you get these analogies?! Hahah

 

[Magua]

Where the **** do you get these analogies?! Hahah

Just replace them with chickens.

 

[onlylordsvsmorebp]

he hired his sons coach like it was some brilliant coup move that could only been made by some wily insider "hockey man" ...it wasnt. now hes stubbornly waiting for his stroke of genius to pay off... it wont. his biggest concern, it seems, is to be proven right. his priority is not the team winning.

now were handcuffed by a coach who knows hes in over his head and thinks by doing the old school, tried and true he cant be blamed. his biggest concern, it seems, is to be half-ass competitive and ride this out, getting a pay cheque and not getting fired. his priority is not the team winning.

meanwhile, the fans and the actually effective players with any kind of ceiling are the ones getting ****ed. our priority is winning...maybe even a cup or two before we all ****ing die.

 

[Rebels57]

In a sick way, I do wonder what it would take.

A part of me thinks even a 10 gamer wouldn’t get Hextall to do it. I want this to get as painful as possible. Want the fire Hex/Hak chants to be heard and not even the fanboy media crew to be able to drown them out. Its purely laughing at the dark side of things at this point.

How the **** did it come to this?

 

[MarAlain MongYeo]

Sanheim, SImmonds, and a 1st, and a 3rd

for

Nylander, Ozhiganov (spelling) and a second

 

[Magua]

Just offer sheet him if you’re so eager to trade ~3 1sts, ignoring positional need/value. They could offer sheet Nylander for 7.2 mil and 7 years and give up less.

 

[DancingPanther]

I am again very tired. I am watching this at 3am. I woke up at 0730, and played a gig for 5 hours this afternoon an hour and a half away. This is not going to be very player specific, just a thoughts post.

First period was pretty good. Wasn't perfect but it was adequate. Generated a lot of odd man rushes. Lot of speed through the NZ. And lo and behold, in the midst of all this, they actually pushed the play! Shocking, I know.

Sanheim jumped up on a nice pinch, beat 2 Bolts to get the puck down low, then crashed the net and was open in the slot. Weise couldn't get it to him. He just worked a defenseman to draw the penalty. 3rd period he made a great spin turn to get space on the boards and make the beautiful outlet pass across the red. The confidence is coming and so am I.

Provorov, you have got to be better than that on Point.

The slash on G. NHL quality refereeing. Leads to 2 goals. Love it. The PK still sucks. What are they -16 now on combined special teams? Laughable. Oh look, Weise interfered with. And the "missed" it.

YES JAKE. The more referees "police" the game, the more ridiculous the game gets. f*** em. Give me the jabs between whistles. Unleash the f***ing peanuts. Get the crowd going. Get the blood pumping. Get the wheels spinning. Anyone who says this team lacks speed and skill need to watch this period and the 3rd period of the Panthers game. This team has what it takes and they have more coming up, especially with 2 way ability on the blue line. Unleash them and they can skate around any team in the league. Meanwhile, we have Door Hingestool telling them to be safe out there, like I tell me friends when they drive home from the bar. I am not normally a believer in "moral victories" but this team overcame some really shitty calls against and earned a sweet point.

They are bad in 3 on 3. They're too deliberate and then they just...decide to shoot. They'll have the puck and they'll just go braindead. "I'm taking this to the net and scoring. Period." It's almost like the PK: "I'm staying right here in my spot in the corner of the box because coach tells me too"

Frustrating but not at the same time. Hopefully this is the game the PP needs. The PK is just a travesty. I've stopped hoping.

Congrats to G. We are all lucky to watch one of the best to suit up this decade.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

It's hard to appreciate complexity when there are gifs to laugh at, I suppose.

Oh well.

Oh man, so much deep.

 

[IronMarshal]

The inherent assertion here is that shooting from far away, on purpose, makes scoring just as easy as if you set up the slot.


You know that claim is necessary for your post to actually work, right? So, do you agree with that?

There is a great piece in the Athletic by Steve Valiquette about shots and shot quality that backs up what you are saying.

 

[Roy Batty]

Dear Santa....please send us a goalie....

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Dear Santa....please send us a goalie....

but first a NHL level HC....

 

[Tripod]

You know the coach frowns upon emotional play, right? Both Hak and Berube did. If you want to see more of that then you'll need a new coach.

LOL where do you guys get this stuff from?

How about directly from Hakstols mouth?

After general manager Ron Hextall hired him in 2015, for instance, Hakstol spent some time surveying the Flyers' culture, in the locker room and during games, and decided that if anything, he said, "there was some wasted emotion, some misdirected emotion. I thought that's one thing we needed to work at correcting early on."

 

[Beef Invictus]

Just replace them with chickens.

I would have presumed salmons