Speculation: 20/21 Season Roster Talk @ Line Combos

[DarkandStormy]

What to do about our $4.9M albatross Wennberg? I'm at my wits end and we still have three years to pay him. We got very little for Milano and will get even less if we trade Wennberg. I read somewhere the CBJ are going to give Tex a strong look at center so I'm to the point I would try Wennberg out at the D position. He wouldn't be perfect, but he has to be better than he is at center.

a) We'd get more for Wennberg than Milano. He was healthy scratched in '19-'20, but not to the extent Milano was.
b) Giving Tex a "strong look" does not immediately mean he gets the spot. Foudy will be competing as well.
c) Our blue line is already stacked and Wennberg isn't Fedorov. Come on lol.
d) We can buy him out this summer/offseason for 1/3 of the cost if he's truly done with the CBJ and there are no trade partners.

 

[Cowumbus]

a) We'd get more for Wennberg than Milano. He was healthy scratched in '19-'20, but not to the extent Milano was.
b) Giving Tex a "strong look" does not immediately mean he gets the spot. Foudy will be competing as well.
c) Our blue line is already stacked and Wennberg isn't Fedorov. Come on lol.
d) We can buy him out this summer/offseason for 1/3 of the cost if he's truly done with the CBJ and there are no trade partners.

Like I mentioned in another thread, of compliance buyouts occur he is a prime suspect.

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

I think Texier, Grigorenko, Foudy, and Shore will all get looks at center. It feels like the depth has really been solidified there, but the question remains of who can lead a scoring line along with Dubois.

As others have mentioned I think we are very much going to be looking at a depth for top end talent sort of trade. Anderson, Wennberg, either of the goalies, and any of the defensemen could be available. It could be interesting to see how it plays out but it feels like we weathered the storm of a rebuild and are pretty well situated going forward.

 

[rt]

Wondering what you guys would think about Derek Stepan for Riley Nash. Would be a cap clearing deal for Arizona to attempt to re-sign Hall.

From an outsider’s perspective both Stepan and Nash seems overpaid for their role’s but Stepan has the greater role (albeit the the higher hit). I believe both players are entering their final year of their contracts.

Tortorella loved Stepan in NYC. Stepan into the league under Torts and played his first 3-4 seasons with him. JT was a big fan of Stepan.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Wondering what you guys would think about Derek Stepan for Riley Nash. Would be a cap clearing deal for Arizona to attempt to re-sign Hall.

From an outsider’s perspective both Stepan and Nash seems overpaid for their role’s but Stepan has the greater role (albeit the the higher hit). I believe both players are entering their final year of their contracts.

Tortorella loved Stepan in NYC. Stepan into the league under Torts and played his first 3-4 seasons with him. JT was a big fan of Stepan.

Don't think Columbus will have much room once Dubois and Anderson get their new deals.

 

[Cowumbus]

Oliver Bjorkstrand has to be our 1 RW now no? Atkinson looks like he’s lost a step (worried about his contract in a couple years) and Anderson isn’t consistent enough to be 1 RW.

I feel like we are screwed, cap wise. We need an Elite talent and we don’t have the room to get one anytime soon.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Oliver Bjorkstrand has to be our 1 RW now no? Atkinson looks like he’s lost a step (worried about his contract in a couple years) and Anderson isn’t consistent enough to be 1 RW.

I feel like we are screwed, cap wise. We need an Elite talent and we don’t have the room to get one anytime soon.

We have the 5th most cap space in the league. If we’re screwed, the other teams are really f***ed.

 

[EspenK]

We have the 5th most cap space in the league. If we’re screwed, the other teams are really f***ed.

A lot depends on the cap for the next season. I have to believe it is going to stay flat, in which case, the Jackets will not have much room after re-signing PLD & (hopefully) Andy, not to mention Gav. Other teams will be too.

 

[domi28]

We have the 5th most cap space in the league. If we’re screwed, the other teams are really f***ed.

Most of the other teams in the league don't have to sign almost their entire core in the next two years.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Most of the other teams in the league don't have to sign almost their entire core in the next two years.

We’re a team that does bridge deals, not longer term ones. Plus, Dubinsky and foligno are coming off the books in the next two years in addition to our buyout cap on Hartnell and Tyutin. We’re fine.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

We’re a team that does bridge deals, not longer term ones. Plus, Dubinsky and foligno are coming off the books in the next two years in addition to our buyout cap on Hartnell and Tyutin. We’re fine.

Hold off on that statement until you see what Dubois winds up getting. We also need to consider the possibility the cap will be getting a bit stagnant for a couple of years.

 

[majormajor]

I guess so. It is interesting though, that MacInnis outplayed all three of the guys you would rather have, in Cleveland. He may not be NHL material, but he isn't worse than those three.

I definitely take Macinnis over those three. I love his speed and play away from the puck. But it doesn't look like there will be room for him soon.

 

[majormajor]

For just about all of these UFAs I doubt they would do much for Columbus. I just see specialists and complementary types that won't score much for a defensive team like Columbus. The one exception is obviously Hall, who I'd love to get if he's forced to do a one year deal.

Do you know if the Kings are a defense 1st type of team? Because once he got traded to the Canucks, he had an offensive explosion. I wouldn't mind him but I think any team who signs him might over pay for him(yeah most UFA's are). One thing that might be appealing about Toffoli is he's only 27 compared to Hoffman (30), Dadonov (31).

The Jackets are also a defense 1st team. If he can't score more than 15 next to Kopitar, I have my doubts that Toffoli will score much next to Dubois.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

For just about all of these UFAs I doubt they would do much for Columbus. I just see specialists and complementary types that won't score much for a defensive team like Columbus. The one exception is obviously Hall, who I'd love to get if he's forced to do a one year deal.



The Jackets are also a defense 1st team. If he can't score more than 15 next to Kopitar, I have my doubts that Toffoli will score much next to Dubois.

Welcome back

 

[majormajor]

a) We'd get more for Wennberg than Milano. He was healthy scratched in '19-'20, but not to the extent Milano was.
b) Giving Tex a "strong look" does not immediately mean he gets the spot. Foudy will be competing as well.
c) Our blue line is already stacked and Wennberg isn't Fedorov. Come on lol.
d) We can buy him out this summer/offseason for 1/3 of the cost if he's truly done with the CBJ and there are no trade partners.

a) If we eat a chunk of his salary, sure. As is we'll be paying to unload Wennberg.
b) I'd bet on Tex to end the year as a full time 2C and I'd bet on Foudy to look great in spots.
c) You're right, Wennberg's backward skating is much better than Fedorov's. But obviously we have no need to try that with our D.
d) I think the time has come. That or a retained trade.

5. Foudy needs a year in the minors. Isn't worth playing him 4th line minutes and they didn't sign Grigorenko to go to Cleveland. Foudy will be full time after next year, maybe even replacing Wennberg.

What is missing in Foudy's game?

And I don't see the point in delaying things with Wennberg. If he struggles we will have to do a 26+ buyout next year. I think we've got plenty of middling centers to choose from and in the league's current cap situation we could do a lot more with that $4m.

Welcome back

Thanks! Good to be back.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Welcome back

Thanks! Good to be back.

The governor’s just opening everything up!

 

[CBJWerenski8]

What is missing in Foudy's game?
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He has two very good assets. His foot speed and his head. He’s a very smart player, and very fast.

everything else is lackluster. Not very good offensively as far as shooting and passing. He’s no plug, but he’s no scorer either. He’s a threat due to his speed, not his skill. He’s capable in his own end but nothing special. Nothing is really “missing” per se, but what he has there isn’t good enough to warrant the hype he’s getting from people here.

He should be an NHL player. But I don’t see him playing anywhere above the bottom 6. And that’s okay.

 

[Kellen]

He has two very good assets. His foot speed and his head. He’s a very smart player, and very fast.

everything else is lackluster. Not very good offensively as far as shooting and passing. He’s no plug, but he’s no scorer either. He’s a threat due to his speed, not his skill. He’s capable in his own end but nothing special. Nothing is really “missing” per se, but what he has there isn’t good enough to warrant the hype he’s getting from people here.

He should be an NHL player. But I don’t see him playing anywhere above the bottom 6. And that’s okay.

Kid screams Third line center to me

 

[domi28]

We’re a team that does bridge deals, not longer term ones. Plus, Dubinsky and foligno are coming off the books in the next two years in addition to our buyout cap on Hartnell and Tyutin. We’re fine.

Name a team that has won a Stanley Cup by signing their core players to bridge deals. The only thing Jarmo is doing for the sake of cap space is bridging these guys straight to UFA.

 

[Cowumbus]

We have the 5th most cap space in the league. If we’re screwed, the other teams are really f***ed.

Dubois, Gavrikov, Anderson.

Elvis got much more than I thought, I’m nervous what PLD and Gavi get.

 

[Cowumbus]

He has two very good assets. His foot speed and his head. He’s a very smart player, and very fast.

everything else is lackluster. Not very good offensively as far as shooting and passing. He’s no plug, but he’s no scorer either. He’s a threat due to his speed, not his skill. He’s capable in his own end but nothing special. Nothing is really “missing” per se, but what he has there isn’t good enough to warrant the hype he’s getting from people here.

He should be an NHL player. But I don’t see him playing anywhere above the bottom 6. And that’s okay.

So he’s basically Wennberg, just making 4 million less

 

[majormajor]

He has two very good assets. His foot speed and his head. He’s a very smart player, and very fast.

everything else is lackluster. Not very good offensively as far as shooting and passing. He’s no plug, but he’s no scorer either. He’s a threat due to his speed, not his skill. He’s capable in his own end but nothing special. Nothing is really “missing” per se, but what he has there isn’t good enough to warrant the hype he’s getting from people here.

He should be an NHL player. But I don’t see him playing anywhere above the bottom 6. And that’s okay.

I would describe Foudy the same way skills wise, but nonetheless I think he's possibly already a very useful player, perhaps more useful than half our forwards. I don't think he'll be a big scorer but he can be valuable as a guy on any line that tilts the ice and feeds others. He was just named London Knights MVP over McMichael, a guy who had 34 points more than him. He played really well for us in those two games. I'm sure you saw the wistful way Torts was talking about him when he had to go back to London.

And as far as the skills that he lacks, it all happens to be stuff players get from long hours with skills coaches. That or he'll never get it. But either way it's not stuff that the AHL is going to give him better than the NHL will.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

All of his attributes match up exactly to what Patrice Bergeron was as a junior

 

[stevo61]

All of his attributes match up exactly to what Patrice Bergeron was as a junior

Foudy? Thats not a comparisn I see even if the slighest

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Foudy? Thats not a comparisn I see even if the slighest

Outside of face-offs, coming out of juniors, the scouting reports are both similar: fast, great defensively, team captains, "questionable offensive ability", 1st PK unit. Seen comparisons to Dylan Larkin as well. Or could be just me.