Post-Game Talk: 2,000th FRANCHISE WIN! #53 Canucks 1 at Flyers 2, Monday Feb 4 7:00PM ET

Laveuglette

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Just imagine, if we still had Hextall who knows who would be in net...

Ready to see Morin and Myers - Hagg is looking more and more like MacDonald Jr.

Morin would already be on the team if healthy no matter what imo. Hope he's there soon. He's gonna be a monster and will have an immediate impact. He's been NHL ready for a while now. Just hope injuries didn't kill his potential.
 

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One philosophy Gordon stilled in the team is that when it comes to their own zone, they should be defending from the middle out. You can tell they have bought into that simple philosophy.
 

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One philosophy Gordon stilled in the team is that when it comes to their own zone, they should be defending from the middle out. You can tell they have bought into that simple philosophy.


what do you mean? If you protect the perimeter, you eliminate the point shots. and if you eliminate the point shots, you eliminate the -- oh.
 

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I almost have no complaints about a Gordon honestly. I would prefer a more vertical passing game from our defensemen and a partner for Ghost who’s not AMac but I think his player usage has been mostly fine, his work with the special teams has been excellent and his handling of Hart has been perfect. Team heat maps are looking a lot better too.
 

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Should of traded him.

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It wasn’t merely the game-winning goal that he scored on Monday, even if his breakaway dangle around Markstrom was a classic example of his raw hockey talent. Voracek was a force all game long, creating offense on his own (he led the team with three high-danger chances) and helping to facilitate it for his linemates as well, in addition to keeping Vancouver’s offense to a minimum. Despite being tasked with primary Elias Pettersson duties (along with linemates Couturier and Oskar Lindblom), Voracek posted the second-best Corsi For Percentage on the Flyers (56.02% score-adjusted) and best xG For rate (86.92%). This was high-end Jake Voracek.
 

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Voracek had a great game, the problem with Voracek is you can say that about one out of three or four games, then he goes MIA for a couple games. He's been playing better lately, but consistency has always been what has held him back from being a great player, both game to game, and within games when it comes to defense. I think it does help him to play with Couts, it helps everyone.

The Giroux line struggles with possession and defense, any line with Giroux will score, but I think it's not a good fit for TK, he's been up and down on that line. Even with JVR playing better, this line just lacks the ability to fight for the puck and take it away - but they're very opportunistic when they do get possession.

Patrick is a work in progress, and its hard to move the puck with Laughton and Simmonds, they're not the smoothest in transition. But he plays a solid two way game, and is playing harder, but needs to add strength, got beat a few times along the boards. Laughton is a much better LW than C, but he's still a limited player.

Hagg has really regressed the last month or so, someone mentioned he might be wearing down, sit him for Folin for a game.

MacDonald is playing as well as he has since he became a Flyer, and the metrics reflect that, he's one of the few who is >50 Corsi practically every game on defense, he's not falling down as much, and he's a willing shot blocker.

Overall the team is playing no better under Gordon than under Hakstol, and last night was a perfect example, so much for the "Hakshell," they were dominated in the 3rd period, a good offensive team will do that to you when they're behind and willing to take chances.

Hart is the difference, now Stolarz has to step up and show he's a capable backup, or they'll have to put Elliott back when he's healthy.
Hart flat out stole this game, they could have easily been down 2-0 after the 1st period.
As soon as you figure he can't play better, he plays better.
But changes still need to be made this offseason.
 
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**Giroux xGF 5v5 during the 8 game win streak**

Van: 18%
Edm: 34%
Bos: 63%
NYR: 19%
Jets: 71% (entire team dominated. Team low was 64%)
Habs: 31%
Bos: 43%
Wild: 14%

I don't really see why being on a win streak means you can't make changes. As the stats indicate, his 5v5 play has not really contributed to the win streak.
Sorry, but having 3 potential scoring lines has given the team more depth and balance, and made them harder to play against.

Scene: Coaches meeting at Voorhees.

Gordo: It's going great with the lineup like this. JVR has come alive playing with G and TK. Oskar looks great with Couts and Jake. Laughton is a beast with Patrick and Simmonds, both of whom are playing their best hockey of the year.

Analytics Guy: But Giroux's Corsi is down, he's playing lousy. We have to break up the lines. It's all here in my report.

Gordo: Giroux's been playing great and we've won 8 straight playing as a team, using three top Cs to take secondary scoring pressure off Patrick instead of loading up one line. Thanks for the report.

Analytics Guy: [Leaves room].

Gordo: [Tosses report in blue bin]

[End scene]
 
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Sorry, but having 3 potential scoring lines has given the team more depth and balance, and made them harder to play against.

Scene: Coaches meeting at Voorhees.

Gordo: It's going great with the lineup like this. JVR has come alive playing with G and TK. Oskar looks great with Couts and Jake. Laughton is a beast with Patrick and Simmonds, both of whom are playing their best hockey of the year.

Analytics Guy: But Giroux's Corsi is down, he's playing lousy. We have to break up the lines. It's all here in my report.

Gordo: Giroux's been playing great and we've won 8 straight playing as a team, using three top Cs to take secondary scoring pressure off Patrick instead of loading up one line. Thanks for the report.

Anal Guy: [Leaves room].

Gordo: [Tosses report in blue bin]

[End scene]

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Voracek had a great game, the problem with Voracek is you can say that about one out of three or four games, then he goes MIA for a couple games. He's been playing better lately, but consistency has always been what has held him back from being a great player, both game to game, and within games when it comes to defense. I think it does help him to play with Couts, it helps everyone.

The Giroux line struggles with possession and defense, any line with Giroux will score, but I think it's not a good fit for TK, he's been up and down on that line. Even with JVR playing better, this line just lacks the ability to fight for the puck and take it away - but they're very opportunistic when they do get possession.

Patrick is a work in progress, and its hard to move the puck with Laughton and Simmonds, they're not the smoothest in transition. But he plays a solid two way game, and is playing harder, but needs to add strength, got beat a few times along the boards. Laughton is a much better LW than C, but he's still a limited player.

Hagg has really regressed the last month or so, someone mentioned he might be wearing down, sit him for Folin for a game.

MacDonald is playing as well as he has since he became a Flyer, and the metrics reflect that, he's one of the few who is >50 Corsi practically every game on defense, he's not falling down as much, and he's a willing shot blocker.

Overall the team is playing no better under Gordon than under Hakstol, and last night was a perfect example, so much for the "Hakshell," they were dominated in the 3rd period, a good offensive team will do that to you when they're behind and willing to take chances.

Hart is the difference, now Stolarz has to step up and show he's a capable backup, or they'll have to put Elliott back when he's healthy.
Hart flat out stole this game, they could have easily been down 2-0 after the 1st period.
As soon as you figure he can't play better, he plays better.
But changes still need to be made this offseason.

Sorry but no. This new attempt to defend Hakstol by saying Hart is the only difference is wrong. The problems the Flyers had this season were goaltending and a special teams. All of these were problems attributable to the coaching staff.

This revisionist history that Hakstol and Lapps, after years of ineptitude, fixed the PK in the weeks prior to Hakstol getting fired is a myth. No one can even point to a single thing either of them did to fix it. It was a temporary “hot streak,” a dead-cat bounce similar to the one that ended the 17-18 season that Hextall cited as a sign of improvement that led him to make no changes to the coaching staff or PK personnel.

Gordon made tangible changes that everyone can see. Everyone is more aggressive, all the forwards attack now, there is relentless pressure and numerous SH chances now. Also Giroux and Lindblom became staples on the PK.

Similarly the PP has undergone significant changes, a multitude of changes. PP2 is scoring goals for the first time in years. Gordon has switched the lineup more times in his tenure than Hakstol did in 4 years.

LStly, Hakstol was as much to blame for the goaltending debacle as any of the individual goalies. The man tied a record for most goalies used for one season - in half a season. Every single goalie he ever touched landed on IR.
 

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The PK was in the top ten in xGA before Gordon took over, the goalies deep sixed it this year.
The PP was historically unlucky.
Flyers are not scoring more goals under Gordon.

Now you're blaming Hakstol for the goalies going down like flies? What did he do, hit them with a sledge hammer in the locker room? :naughty:

Gordon made a few tweaks, the forwards are deeper but the top line isn't as good, robbing Peter to pay Paul.
The PP is better, but they went through some strange tweaks to get there, like 5 forwards.

Gordon has some questionable moves, like Provorov over Sanheim on PP2, fixed last night, pairing Hagg and Gudas, continuing to play Varone. Some, like with Hakstol, might be as much GM decisions as HC decisions (with NAK down, is anyone better than Varone?).

Firing Hakstol didn't solve this team's problem with depth (better but still not contender quality) and fit (the three lines are clunky, the defense pairings are imbalanced). Fletcher has a lot of work to do at the TDL and this summer.
 

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Patrick is a work in progress, and its hard to move the puck with Laughton and Simmonds, they're not the smoothest in transition. But he plays a solid two way game, and is playing harder, but needs to add strength, got beat a few times along the boards. Laughton is a much better LW than C, but he's still a limited player.

Based on the excuse-making here, I’m guessing you didn’t actually watch the game and just looked at Patrick’s xG numbers and thought he had a bad game. He was actually great.
 

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The PK was bad, historically bad under Hakstol, flirting with below-70% for most of the season. Pretending this was a good unit that wasn’t a problem is basically astonishing.
 

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HAKSTOL WAS A TERRIBLE COACH.

Enough with the revisionist history. He was a terrible communicate, terrible at in game adjustments, terrible at time out management, terrible at goalie usage, terrible at TOI usage, terrible at preparing the team for the upcoming game.

Should I keep going?
 

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Most the players are playing better and getting better usage. Allowing them to learn from mistakes instead of bias punishments for younger ones while the older vets could do worse and see more mins. There is a stark difference in the way the team is playing. One the goalies look good. And the skaters look improved as well. Clearly you need to stop making up things and cherry picking stats to prove your agenda
 
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