Value of: 1st round pick (11-15) to Vancouver

[Canadian Canuck]

Besides Pettersson/Horvat/Boeser/Hughes is there a package that can land another 1st round pick, preferably in the 11-15 range and try and get both Boldy+CaufieldI wouldn’t mind a 16-20 pick as well and would love to get a crack at Heinola, Brink, Newhook etc. Prefer to trade roster players, but B prospects could also be included.

Tanev
Virtanen
Hutton
Juolevi
Gaudette
Baertschi

Are solid pieces that could be available as well as depth pieces.

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[Pierce Hawthorne]

These threads always crack me up.

 

[MisterT]

Combined those pieces don’t land you such a pick. ELCs for teams selecting in that range are more valuable.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Almost no chance Montreal is interest in moving 15th OA for any of those pieces.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

that entire list of assets doesnt get a first round pick

 

[Canadian Canuck]

that entire list of assets doesnt get a first round pick

Yeah sure thing there.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

And the overvaluing of draft picks continues. A pick in the 11-20 range does not cost all those assets. Jesus people.

 

[DRW204]

holy f*** is that a shit selection of assets for a 11-15th pick.

 

[AKL]

12oa

for

Virtanen
10oa

Deal, OP?

 

[Starat327]

Nothing of interest there from a Flyers POV.

 

[MSSLYNX]

Besides Pettersson/Horvat/Boeser/Hughes is there a package that can land another 1st round pick, preferably in the 11-15 range and try and get both Boldy+CaufieldI wouldn’t mind a 16-20 pick as well and would love to get a crack at Heinola, Brink, Newhook etc. Prefer to trade roster players, but B prospects could also be included.

Tanev
Virtanen
Hutton
Juolevi
Gaudette
Baertschi
Are solid pieces that could be available as well as depth pieces.

Those names do not bring back the 11th pick. Same for B prospects.

 

[Captain Mountain]

And the overvaluing of draft picks continues. A pick in the 11-20 range does not cost all those assets. Jesus people.

It has nothing to do with "overvaluing of draft picks". Its a matter of teams with those picks don't really need any of those pieces, and if they did, they could probably find comparable players much more cheaply.

Look at this way. Try to think of what you think would be a fair offer from that list for the 11th OA pick. Would you want Vancouver to trade the 10th OA for that?

 

[Mersss]

Besides Pettersson/Horvat/Boeser/Hughes is there a package that can land another 1st round pick, preferably in the 11-15 range and try and get both Boldy+CaufieldI wouldn’t mind a 16-20 pick as well and would love to get a crack at Heinola, Brink, Newhook etc. Prefer to trade roster players, but B prospects could also be included.

Tanev
Virtanen
Hutton
Juolevi
Gaudette
Baertschi

Are solid pieces that could be available as well as depth pieces.

Habs won't trade the 15th overall pick for any pieces in here. I'd trade one of our 2nd pick for Juollevi as a reclamation project tho, but he isn't worth a 1st round pick anymore

A colelction of 3-4th lienrs isn't worth a top15 pick.

 

[DRW204]

And the overvaluing of draft picks continues. A pick in the 11-20 range does not cost all those assets. Jesus people.

i hope fans from PHI, MIN, FLA, ARI and MTL come back and list their assets of similar value and ask what combo would land them the 10th.

 

[Avs44]

And the overvaluing of draft picks continues. A pick in the 11-20 range does not cost all those assets. Jesus people.

Teams don't move high picks knowingly for B assets. It appears you're looking for a Peter Chiarelli calibre idiot to pull off another 1st rounder for Reinhart type trade (with Juloevi instead, this time). And obviously you are't going to find fans jumping at the idea of their club pulling that one off.

Your best shot would be Tanev, but I don't think a 29 year old Tanev with his injury history holds that sort of value. Teams historically have moved picks in this range in packages for upgrades on their roster who have upside and suit very specific needs. E.g. when the Kings went for Lucic and thought they were getting a 26-27 year old 60 point power forward; or when the Flames traded for a Dougie Hamilton in his early 20s; or the Sens packaged the 14th overall up to get a then 25 year old perennial 30 goal scorer Bobby Ryan; or the Blues their 1st + a future 1st for Schenn. All of these teams thought they were getting key, prime aged top six forwards / top four defensmen.

Obviously some of these moves didn't work out...but the key is that, at the time, with the exception of the truly stupid moves like Chiarelli's, they all looked a lot better than what you're suggesting now. You're basically suggesting teams skip the "move a 1st+ for something that looks promising step" and go straight to the "move a 1st for a terrible return", aka the Peter Chiarelli, step.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

None of those pieces get us a first rounder. Maybe a couple get you a late one but nothing in the 11-15 range.

 

[MSSLYNX]

i hope fans from PHI, MIN, FLA, ARI and MTL come back and list their assets of similar value and ask what combo would land them the 10th.

Not perfect but lets try from Philly:
Tanev/ Gudas?, Hutton and Juolevi/ Hagg and Morin?, Gaudette /Laughton?, Baertschi/Lindblom?, Virtanen/ Hartman?

Not getting a top 10 pick oa with this Philly group for sure.

 

[M2Beezy]

If Carolinas goalie gets blown out again tomorrow I could see the Canes a lil despy to make a move for a goalie and could pay steeply for Markstrom. 2019 1st plus something else for Markstrom makes sense, for everybody

 

[John Johnson]

I think you would have to add a high 2nd round pick to those players for any GM to consider moving a mid-1st round pick.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

If Carolinas goalie gets blown out again tomorrow I could see the Canes a lil despy to make a move for a goalie and could pay steeply for Markstrom. 2019 1st plus something else for Markstrom makes sense, for everybody

No, it really makes no sense for Carolina.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

And the overvaluing of draft picks continues. A pick in the 11-20 range does not cost all those assets. Jesus people.

Riiiiight


So if Colorado came offering you a combination of:

Nicholas Meloche
Sven Andrighetto
Matt Nieto
Ian Cole
Patrik Nemeth
AJ Greer


You're telling me you'd move the #10 pick for some of those assets?


Sounds to me like someone is massively overeating his own players.

 

[CapnZin]

And the overvaluing of draft picks continues. A pick in the 11-20 range does not cost all those assets. Jesus people.

While people may overestimate the value of such picks, this is also a prime example of ‘diminishing returns’. It looks like a healthy group, but all of them together doesn’t move the needle for a team.

Likely teams look for class assets and detract or add from there.

Top 10 picks are A+ to A assets. 11-14 are A- assets.

Teams giving up assets expect a premium. B assets at best aren’t a premium. There’s no trade to be made of you don’t include other things that are valuable.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Riiiiight


So if Colorado came offering you a combination of:

Nicholas Meloche
Sven Andrighetto
Matt Nieto
Ian Cole
Patrik Nemeth
AJ Greer


You're telling me you'd move the #10 pick for some of those assets?


Sounds to me like someone is massively overeating his own players.

Oil Juolevi is an A prospect still. Virtanen and Gaudette are also great young players. This isn’t “washed up 4th liners” for a top pick

 

[kings11]

I actually believe Podzolkin will fall in this draft and would love my Kings to select him if he does.. however, our second pick is in the 20s(TML)..
Hence, what would it take from the Kings to get into that 11-15 range???
the package obviously starts with Toronto's pick....

 

[Empoleon8771]

When was the last time a bunch of lesser assets brought back a 1st rounder in that range? Outside of picks for picks swaps, cap dumps or expansion draft stuff, here are the picks (or players in their draft+1 years as prospects) that have been traded since 2013:

-12th pick in 2018 plus 2 2nds for Hamonic
-14th pick in 2018 and 27th pick in 2017 for Schenn
-Suzuki (13th pick in 2017), Tatar and a 2nd for Pacioretty
-13th pick in 2015, Jones and Miller for Lucic
-15th pick in 2015 plus 2 2nds for Hamilton
-10th pick, Silfverberg and Noesen for Ryan

All of those picks traded were traded for actually good players, not the scraps you're offering outside of Tanev. I think Tanev is the only guy that might be able to bring back a 1st in that range, and that's being generous towards the Canucks.