Prospect Info: 1st Overall Hype Thread: Meaningless wins

[Emperoreddy]

Plenty of parts of Jersey City are not nice either. Parts of Paterson are even worse then all of the above.

No one in Newark wants to stay there if given the chance. We all know it sucks. We don’t need to pretend like it doesn’t suck.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I think most of us on this board are from the area, which means most of us know that Newark is not a nice place. In fact, it's a pretty damn unsafe place. I knew a guy that lived in that area and was robbed. Lets not kid ourselves, no one wants to raise a family there.

Of course two train stops over is Jersey City which can be really nice, but people don't know the area like us. If they're just ignorant I would just ignore them.

TBH I always wondered why Newark couldn't get their act together. You would think the easy public transit alone would be enough to attract young professionals but idk, I'm not an economist.

Not enough job opportunities or investment to cause that yet. Newark in its hay-day was a very successful manufacturing city. When the jobs left the population became poor which resulted in the downward spiral of the city. That happened to many cities in this country. The jobs left and much of the middle and upper classes moved out of the cities during the suburban growth decades. Now we are seeing the reverse in many areas. Gentrification of urban areas which is now pushing out the lower class.

 

[BenedictGomez]

NJ has tremendous options for every cuisine since this state is such a melting pot of cultures.

I definitely think that is true, but pizza is the only thing that it truly irreplaceable.

I dont understand it (it's not the h2o, that's a BS wive's tale), but if you draw a map from eastern PA, through Jersey, through NYC & Long Island, into western Connecticut, and including far southern NY State, that's your pizza map. Step much outside that map & pizza becomes low-grade dog food.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I definitely think that is true, but pizza is the only thing that it truly irreplaceable.

I dont understand it (it's not the h2o, that's a BS wive's tale), but if you draw a map from eastern PA, through Jersey, through NYC & Long Island, into western Connecticut, and including far southern NY State, that's your pizza map. Step much outside that map & pizza becomes low-grade dog food.

YUP, the difference in taste is absolutely staggering. Someone should make an investigative documentary on this. I’ll watch.

 

[Bleedred]

Yes! There is a Chinese food place in Lyndhurst that I am DYING to go to when I come home. So I totally agree with you! Everyone talks about how good the pizza in NYC, Philly, Chicago is (though I never had authentic Chicago pizza), there is something about NJ pizza that is amazing.
I envy that you work and live right near the beach. That's my goal when I get out of this hell hole lol, a little under 3 years before I'm free.

What is surprisingly is how fast Asbury developed. I remember going to the Stone Pony in early 2000's and watching the locals do "tai-chi" (I hope you get the reference) on the boardwalk at 2 am. Was a dangerous place back then. Now? Wow. Impressive!

I moved to Florida almost 8 years ago, after wanting to live here for years before that. Right between Clearwater and St. Petersburg in Pinellas County. No regrets! I was able to save up cash for years to buy my house in cash. Back after the housing bubble burst and the value of my home has went up by over $130k since then, which is like 70%-75% more than what I bought it for in 2010.

I make MUCH less money, but I don't have a mortgage/rent here. Just property taxes (which are astronomically lower than Jersey) and homeowners insurance, which is astronomically higher than in Jersey. Though my house is worth less than most places in North Jersey where I'm from, so it probably isn't much more per year.

I rode my bike from Manasquan to Asbury Park when I was 14. My grandmother lived down there, so I rode my bike from her house in Manasquan all the way to Asbury Park. I was reading maps at a really young age and I was able to navigate my way around places when I was probably 6-8 years old. I could always direct people in my family like my mom and my grandfather from the back seat on how to get around places if they were lost, from a really young age.

So I rode my bike up there 14. This was a LONG time ago. Like 1990? I was actually visiting around Christmas/New Years. I mostly stayed on ocean ave and the boardwalks. I got up to Asbury Park. It didn't look that scary to me. It was a bit scary for a 14 year old, almost in an exciting way. There was more paranoia than an authentic feeling of danger. I told my dad and my grandmother that I rode my bike there and my my adult cousins (my dad's cousins) all had this look on their face like I had dodged bullets by daring to ride a bicycle up to Asbury Park at 14 years old.

I would regularly go up there to shows when I got a little older. Like later into the 90's and early 00's. It was still a bit scary (not too scary), but it's pretty safe now.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

I think most of us on this board are from the area, which means most of us know that Newark is not a nice place. In fact, it's a pretty damn unsafe place. I knew a guy that lived in that area and was robbed. Lets not kid ourselves, no one wants to raise a family there.

Of course two train stops over is Jersey City which can be really nice, but people don't know the area like us. If they're just ignorant I would just ignore them.

TBH I always wondered why Newark couldn't get their act together. You would think the easy public transit alone would be enough to attract young professionals but idk, I'm not an economist.

I went to NJIT and I got emails almost everyday about a robbery or something. I guess I got lucky because I walked around newark all the time, never had an issue lol.

It was pretty scary tbh seeing a bunch of police officers around newark light rail stations with auto rifles. Not even handguns, full auto rifles lol. That's pretty dangerous.

 

[Rangerfans]

I moved to Florida almost 8 years ago, after wanting to live here for years before that. Right between Clearwater and St. Petersburg in Pinellas County. No regrets! I was able to save up cash for years to buy my house in cash. Back after the housing bubble burst and the value of my home has went up by over $130k since then, which is like 70%-75% more than what I bought it for in 2010.

I make MUCH less money, but I don't have a mortgage/rent here. Just property taxes (which are astronomically lower than Jersey) and homeowners insurance, which is astronomically higher than in Jersey. Though my house is worth less than most places in North Jersey where I'm from, so it probably isn't much more per year.

I rode my bike from Manasquan to Asbury Park when I was 14. My grandmother lived down there, so I rode my bike from her house in Manasquan all the way to Asbury Park. I was reading maps at a really young age and I was able to navigate my way around places when I was probably 6-8 years old. I could always direct people in my family like my mom and my grandfather from the back seat on how to get around places if they were lost, from a really young age.

So I rode my bike up there 14. This was a LONG time ago. Like 1990? I was actually visiting around Christmas/New Years. I mostly stayed on ocean ave and the boardwalks. I got up to Asbury Park. It didn't look that scary to me. It was a bit scary for a 14 year old, almost in an exciting way. There was more paranoia than an authentic feeling of danger. I told my dad and my grandmother that I rode my bike there and my my adult cousins (my dad's cousins) all had this look on their face like I had dodged bullets by daring to ride a bicycle up to Asbury Park at 14 years old.

I would regularly go up there to shows when I got a little older. Like later into the 90's and early 00's. It was still a bit scary (not too scary), but it's pretty safe now.

Great story. Tbh, I am pursuing my DC and Florida is a place on my list. Unless opportunity opens in NJ (I had contracted work with Rutgers and NY Jets as a LMT) I want to go somewhere warm with beaches. Florida and Cali come to mind!

Btw, a pleasure everyone.

 

[Bleedred]

Good point. The Madhouse is located inside of a notoriously rough part of Chicago. Do people really think Patty Kane and Duncan Keith live within walking or bicycle distance from the arena? Didn’t keep people from coming to the games once they got good. Detroit’s barn is not too far from some rough parts of the city. Doesn’t keep people from playing there. Doesn’t keep people from coming out to contests but the team being poor probably does. Lots of NHL teams play in a bad city but their buildings aren’t usually in the scary parts.

A lot of people seem to forget that other teams also play in questionable cities.

I think one thing that seems a lot scarier about Newark than other big cities (where NHL teams play) is that when looking at Newark on a map, it's not as big as Detroit, it's not as big as Chicago. The population is also significantly smaller, but the area of land on a map, Newark is not very large. So you're likely closer to bad parts of Newark than you might be if you're somewhere in Chicago or Detroit by address, but not so close to the bad parts.

Being in Newark is pretty much irrelevant for anyone that wants to play for the Devils. The arena is in a safe area and outside of that Red Hot Chili Peppers concert (I think it was them?) there's really no documented incidents of anything too scary happening at Prudential Center since it opened 11.5 years ago.

Even for players when returning from a road game in the late hours overnight, I'm pretty sure they have a police escort guiding the team bus from the airport to the arena, so no one is gonna feel unsafe when leaving the arena at 2:00 AM or 3:00 AM after landing late and returning from an out of town game or road trip in the middle of the night.

The visiting teams don't even stay in Newark when visiting the Devils. I can't say that no teams do (I know at least one team stays at the Hilton at Newark Airport sometimes, which is a bizarre location, due to the noise from the airport and being in a very isolated location), but most teams stay either in Jersey City or at Hilton in Short Hills. I'm guessing that's more because there's more to do in Jersey City (restaurants in short distance from the hotels) than Newark and the hotels in Jersey City and the Hilton in Short Hills are nicer than that Hilton in Newark, which is a bit dated. Back when were in the Meadowlands, I know some teams were staying in the Hilton in Hasbrouck Heights, which while a convenient location to the arena, is also quite confining if you're staying there without a car. You can't really walk around and explore over there. The one in Short Hills is also in a semi-confining location, but you got the mall over there that you can walk around in. The Hilton in Short Hills is also way dated. I was last in there about 12-13 years ago and it looked like it hadn't been touched since it was built in the 70's.

 

[Bleedred]

I didn't see the tweet or comment in question by Amanda, but knowing her from her short time with the Devils, I highly doubt she would say anything too disparaging about the city of Newark. Or at least not purposely.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I definitely think that is true, but pizza is the only thing that it truly irreplaceable.

I dont understand it (it's not the h2o, that's a BS wive's tale), but if you draw a map from eastern PA, through Jersey, through NYC & Long Island, into western Connecticut, and including far southern NY State, that's your pizza map. Step much outside that map & pizza becomes low-grade dog food.

When I was in Boston, I was shocked with how bad the pizza was. It was straight trash. Dominos was better then the local pizza joints.

 

[Unknown Caller]

A lot of people seem to forget that other teams also play in questionable cities.

I think one thing that seems a lot scarier about Newark than other big cities (where NHL teams play) is that when looking at Newark on a map, it's not as big as Detroit, it's not as big as Chicago. The population is also significantly smaller, but the area of land on a map, Newark is not very large. So you're likely closer to bad parts of Newark than you might be if you're somewhere in Chicago or Detroit by address, but not so close to the bad parts.

Being in Newark is pretty much irrelevant for anyone that wants to play for the Devils. The arena is in a safe area and outside of that Red Hot Chili Peppers concert (I think it was them?) there's really no documented incidents of anything too scary happening at Prudential Center since it opened 11.5 years ago.

Even for players when returning from a road game in the late hours overnight, I'm pretty sure they have a police escort guiding the team bus from the airport to the arena, so no one is gonna feel unsafe when leaving the arena at 2:00 AM or 3:00 AM after landing late and returning from an out of town game or road trip in the middle of the night.

The visiting teams don't even stay in Newark when visiting the Devils. I can't say that no teams do (I know at least one team stays at the Hilton at Newark Airport sometimes, which is a bizarre location, due to the noise from the airport and being in a very isolated location), but most teams stay either in Jersey City or at Hilton in Short Hills. I'm guessing that's more because there's more to do in Jersey City (restaurants in short distance from the hotels) than Newark and the hotels in Jersey City and the Hilton in Short Hills are nicer than that Hilton in Newark, which is a bit dated. Back when were in the Meadowlands, I know some teams were staying in the Hilton in Hasbrouck Heights, which while a convenient location to the arena, is also quite confining if you're staying there without a car. You can't really walk around and explore over there. The one in Short Hills is also in a semi-confining location, but you got the mall over there that you can walk around in. The Hilton in Short Hills is also way dated. I was last in there about 12-13 years ago and it looked like it hadn't been touched since it was built in the 70's.

I have no idea why visiting teams wouldn't stay at the W in Hoboken. Seems like a no brainer. The Jersey City hotels make sense too, but not sure that any are as nice as the W.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I have no idea why visiting teams wouldn't stay at the W in Hoboken. Seems like a no brainer. The Jersey City hotels make sense too, but not sure that any are as nice as the W.

Most likely due to the expense? I don’t think teams like to splurge on the road.

 

[Bleedred]

I have no idea why visiting teams wouldn't stay at the W in Hoboken. Seems like a no brainer. The Jersey City hotels make sense too, but not sure that any are as nice as the W.

I've read some teams do stay in Hoboken, so perhaps some teams are staying there.

I think the worst part about staying in Jersey City or Hoboken is that on weeknights, it's a bit far out and it could present a problem for the team bus in arriving to the games at an adequate enough time before the game starts. I think they probably want the players there around 4:30-4:50 for a game that's a 7:00 PM start. They do have a police escort, but if traffic is jammed up, that still might not help. So they probably have to leave the hotel earlier.

I also think that if a team (usually a Western team) is hitting all 3 local teams and has us on the second half of a back to back, they might set up quarters for the entire 5 days at one hotel in Manhattan. Especially if they're playing us on the second half of a back to back and don't have to come to the arena for the morning skate anyway.

 

[devilsblood]

When I was in Boston, I was shocked with how bad the pizza was. It was straight trash. Dominos was better then the local pizza joints.

Ya the pizza joints aren't really pizza joints. They are more like.....I don't even know what, deep fry joints maybe? greasy crust is something I remember. And Greek owners.

Now there was a place in Cambridge, that made all these specialty pizza's that was excellent. I remember a sweet potato goat cheese caramalized onion that was fantastic. They also had 4 different sauces to choose from.

But in terms of walking in and getting a good plain slice, Boston was severely lacking.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Ya the pizza joints aren't really pizza joints. They are more like.....I don't even know what, deep fry joints maybe? greasy crust is something I remember. And Greek owners.

Now there was a place in Cambridge, that made all these specialty pizza's that was excellent. I remember a sweet potato goat cheese caramalized onion that was fantastic. They also had 4 different sauces to choose from.

But in terms of walking in and getting a good plain slice, Boston was severely lacking.

What I was going to say. They are all Greek joints. They gyros were better then the shit pizza or the shitty Wings.

I like all the things you mentioned on that special slice.

 

[devilsblood]

What I was going to say. They are all Greek joints. They gyros were better then the **** pizza or the ****ty Wings.

I like all the things you mentioned on that special slice.

Ha, when you see Gyro's on the menu, you can bet the Pizza is not going to be all that good.

 

[Edmonton East]

I definitely think that is true, but pizza is the only thing that it truly irreplaceable.

I dont understand it (it's not the h2o, that's a BS wive's tale), but if you draw a map from eastern PA, through Jersey, through NYC & Long Island, into western Connecticut, and including far southern NY State, that's your pizza map. Step much outside that map & pizza becomes low-grade dog food.

Pizza and BAGELS. I still haven't been able to find a decent f'n bagel outside of the area's you mentioned. And I travel a ton for work. It's mystifying.

 

[Cage Helmet]

I have a sweet pizza joint near me in Jacksonville, Florida. Don’t taste like home but it’s supposed to be a St. Louis style pie.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Pizza and BAGELS. I still haven't been able to find a decent f'n bagel outside of the area's you mentioned. And I travel a ton for work. It's mystifying.

Supposedly Montreal has great bagels?

 

[OmNomNom]

Ya the pizza joints aren't really pizza joints. They are more like.....I don't even know what, deep fry joints maybe? greasy crust is something I remember. And Greek owners.

Now there was a place in Cambridge, that made all these specialty pizza's that was excellent. I remember a sweet potato goat cheese caramalized onion that was fantastic. They also had 4 different sauces to choose from.

But in terms of walking in and getting a good plain slice, Boston was severely lacking.

Was it Za? My cousin ordered pizza from there for us a few times. Totally delicous

 

[Billdo]

I didn't see the tweet or comment in question by Amanda, but knowing her from her short time with the Devils, I highly doubt she would say anything too disparaging about the city of Newark. Or at least not purposely.

She didn't. All she said was "I don't know a single person who lives in Newark" when someone said Hughes went from LA or NYC to Newark. Then people got all butt hurt talking about it being a bad look. I dont get it. I've never used the word before but snowflake seems applicable here.

 

[JimEIV]

I definitely think that is true, but pizza is the only thing that it truly irreplaceable.

I dont understand it (it's not the h2o, that's a BS wive's tale), but if you draw a map from eastern PA, through Jersey, through NYC & Long Island, into western Connecticut, and including far southern NY State, that's your pizza map. Step much outside that map & pizza becomes low-grade dog food.

I think you are being too generous in the size of your map.

 

[JimEIV]

Plenty of parts of Jersey City are not nice either. Parts of Paterson are even worse then all of the above.

No one in Newark wants to stay there if given the chance. We all know it sucks. We don’t need to pretend like it doesn’t suck.

The last year I lived in Paterson, 2000, 3 people were shot on my street from October to April.

I moved to where I am now in April 2000...The 2000 playoffs started the day I moved in.

 

[Missionhockey]

Yes! There is a Chinese food place in Lyndhurst that I am DYING to go to when I come home. So I totally agree with you! Everyone talks about how good the pizza in NYC, Philly, Chicago is (though I never had authentic Chicago pizza), there is something about NJ pizza that is amazing.
I envy that you work and live right near the beach. That's my goal when I get out of this hell hole lol, a little under 3 years before I'm free.

What is surprisingly is how fast Asbury developed. I remember going to the Stone Pony in early 2000's and watching the locals do "tai-chi" (I hope you get the reference) on the boardwalk at 2 am. Was a dangerous place back then. Now? Wow. Impressive!

Chicago deep dish pizza is really good. Almost worth a trip out there itself. They have a chain out there (I think they're called Giordano's?) that really hits the spot but it's so much cheese you can't possibly eat more than two slices.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Deep dish is almost not pizza in my eyes. It’s like it’s own unique thing. Delicious, but unique.

Midwest pizza is a sad sad joke. Like their attempts at normal pizza. They try to put cheddar on everything. That or that disgusting cheese mixture they have (I can’t place the name).