1992-1993..Professional scouts rate the NHL players

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  1. Habsfan18

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    It's the January 15th, 1993 issue of The Hockey News and the cover story (along with Canada's WJC gold) is of THN polling 5 professional scouts to rate every single player in the NHL.

    Each player's total rating is based on the 1-6 rating he received from each of the 5 pro scouts.

    28-30 = Superstar
    23-27 = Star
    18-22 = NHL Regular-Plus
    13-17 = NHL Regular
    8-12 = Role Player
    5-7 = Depth Player

    In all, 48 players were considered "superstars & stars." Here they are:

    Mario Lemieux - 30
    Mark Messier - 30
    Pat LaFontaine - 30
    Steve Yzerman - 30
    Wayne Gretzky - 30

    Pavel Bure - 29
    Brian Leetch - 29
    Joe Sakic - 29
    Jeremy Roenick - 29
    Ray Bourque - 29

    Kevin Stevens - 28
    Patrick Roy - 28
    Al MacInnis - 28
    Brett Hull - 28

    Jaromir Jagr - 27
    Eric Lindros - 27
    Teemu Selanne - 27
    Chris Chelios - 27
    Doug Gilmour - 27
    Mark Recchi - 27
    Luc Robitaille - 27
    Pierre Turgeon - 27
    Paul Coffey - 27
    Cam Neely - 27

    Mats Sundin - 26
    Gary Roberts - 26
    Sergei Fedorov - 26
    Bill Ranford - 26
    Scott Stevens - 26
    Phil Housley - 26

    Mike Modano - 25
    Adam Oates - 25
    Alex Mogilny - 25
    Mark Tinordi - 25
    Kevin Hatcher - 25
    Jari Kurri - 25

    Kirk Muller - 24
    Rick Tocchet - 24
    Steve Smith - 24
    Theo Fleury - 24
    Tom Barrasso - 24
    Steve Larmer - 24
    Vincent Damphousse - 24

    Brendan Shanahan - 23
    Kirk McLean - 23
    Mike Gartner - 23
    Joe Nieuwendyk - 23
    Andy Moog - 23

    If you're curious about a specific player, just ask and I can get the rating.
     
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    Kurri ahead of Damphousse and Tinordi seems wrong to me.
     
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    Adam Oates

    Adam Oates interesting to say the least.
     
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    I guess this settles the Turgeon/Oates debate :laugh:

    It's bizarre to see Housley rated the same as Scott Stevens...

    But then again Stevens wasn't quite Stevens at that point.
     
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    That's odd. Neely wasn't listed in the superstars/stars section, but was given a 27 in the Bruins section. Must have been a mistake. He appears to be the only one though.

    I added him to the list.
     
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    Mogilny was in the midst of his 76 goal season and was ranked much lower than Lafontaine. I guess everyone figured he was riding on his coattails? Or had he not gotten hot yet?
     
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    I'm also surprised Eddie Belfour was ranked outside of the stars category. For a guy who won the Jennings, Calder and Vezina in 1991, went to the finals in 1992 and was in the midst of another Vezina in 1993, you'd think he would have been higher up on the list of superstars.

    Why guys like Moog, McLean, and Ranford are ahead of him is a mystery. Ranford had his 1990 run and was still thought of as a great goalie, but Belfour was putting together something special. Moog wasn't that relevant, and McLean hadn't been on his 1994 run yet.

    Belfour should have been up there with Roenick and Chelios. He was every bit as important to Chicago then.
     
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    Mike Keenan Factor

    Belfour was not consistent and Mike Keenan had a very quick hook which explains the rating differential Roenick and Chelios were consistent.
     
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    I mean yeah, they got the best players near the top and all, but... what an awful rating system.
     
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    Why do magazine lists always do a poor job of list making?
     
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    Agreed. Especially since there are only 5 voters.
     
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    Biggest surprise is probably Steve Smith, alone in 10th among defensemen. Not tied for 10th, either. And no one within a point.
     
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    what was alexei kovalev's rating, thanks :)
     
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    Curious to see where they had Marty McSorley and Wendel Clark ranked, they both had stellar seasons in 92-93. I'd also be interested to know what score they gave Kelly Hrudey, one of the worst starting goalies of the early 90s.
     
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    As of 15th January 1993, Mogilny was scoring at roughly a goal per game.

    However, bear in mind that the poll may have been conducted weeks or even months prior to this date. (Although Selanne's presence suggests that the scouts must have been polled at some point during the season).

    Prior to that season, Mogilny had never played more than 67 games in any of his regular seasons. So his highest goal tally was 39. His playoff record read games 12, goals 0. Since Lafontaine was established and concerns about Russians being able to perform in the playoffs were quite prevalent, I'd guess voters erred on the side of caution when rating Mogilny.

    As ever with these kinds of polls, we don't know who was voting on actual achievements, who was making projections based on a hunch (see Lindros' ranking in THN top 100 of 97) and who was adding extra weight for playoff performances.

    I remember Tinordi being touted as a potential star after the 91 playoffs. Smith's part in helping the Blackhawks reach the 92 finals-added to his successes with the Oilers-maybe garnered him a lot of credit. As for Hatcher, he was featuring in Norris and all-star votes around this time and he'd finish fifth in all-star voting for 92-93.

    Furthermore, as has been noted, five voters makes for a small sample.
     
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    Yeah, I remember that edition of "The Hockey News", to answer the Kevin Hatcher question he probably got a high rating because he was one of the best offensive defenseman in the league at that time.
     
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    Kovalev was given a rating of 17.

    McSorley - 20
    Clark - 19
    Hrudey - 20
     
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    Ratings

    Ratings for the following appreciated.

    Felix Potvin
    Nicklas Lidstrom
    Gilbert Dionne
     
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    Potvin - 17
    Lidstrom - 18
    Dionne - 15
     
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    What was Guy Carbonneau's rank?

    27 seems a couple of points too low for Chelios...
     
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    Thank you. How many players were rated and what was the rating at the midpoint.. If 600 were rated then #'s 299,300,301 received what score.
     
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    Clark, for some reason, had a relatively awful regular season... I think you are thinking 1994.
     
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    I was wondering how Adam Graves was rated. Obviously he was not a star player but he was on his way up and next year he would have a massive breakout.
     
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    What was makarov and irbe? Intrested in irbe simply because in 92-93 around a third way into the year he was actaully leading the league in save percentage that I recall before he got injured lol.
     

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