Speculation: 19/20 roster

[Shaman464]

I don't see much change, another developing/rebuild year. Fans that don't wanna watch bad hockey might as well hit the snooze button till next year/offseason again. This is what I think's going to happen.

* No Yzerman *

Roster: 19 - 20
Tyler Bertuzzi – (C)Dylan Larkin – Anthony Mantha
Taro Hirose – Andreas Athanasiou – Darren Helm
Michael Rasmussen – Frans Nielson – Filip Zadina
Luke Glendenning – Christoffer Ehn– (A)Justin Abdelkader

* Jacob de le Rose, C/ LW
* Dominic Turgeon, C/ RW

Filip Hronek – (A)Niklas Kronwall
Mike Green – Trevor Daley
Madison Bowey – Danny DeKeyser

* Jonathan Ericsson, LHD

Jimmy Howard
Jonathan Bernier

No real reason to buyout Ericsson a year early, Same with Daley. Abdelkader you might as well keep around unless you want Turgeon/DeleRose getting 4th line minutes, either way it's going to cost money and not save much against the cap. It's not saving a ton to buy him out and I'd send him down to the AHL but honestly I rather younger fellas play expanded roles down there vs him eating even 3rd line ice time. Maybe also start Cholowski down in the AHL and revisit the situation around the dead-line or January if he's playing really, really well.

Look to move guys like Green/Daley/Howard/Bernier/Glendenning/Helm at the deadline. Move Ericsson/Abdelkader/Nielson for about literally anything.(7th rdp) If they can.

Idk, still firmly in the rebuild. I don't think much really has change from an organizational prospective. It's a waste to go sign guys to big money so, yeah, another year of muddling along. Hopefully they can keep the first two lines from the end of these season somewhat together, they looked pretty good, especailly Larkin/Bertuzzi/Mantha. That line was a legit threat night in and out.

That team is tragically bad.

 

[Snuggs]

That team is tragically bad.

Lol, I'm not even saying it's not going to be.

We need guys within the system to rise, and to clear cap though. I don't see the value in going and signing a guy to a 4/3 year deal for 4-7 million in the open market right now. Especailly when we'll be in a situation next year to sign Mantha/AA/Bertuzzi to extensions.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

HSJ gave grades for the various players' seasons. She really dropped the hammer on Rasmussen, saying he might be in GR next year.

F Michael Rasmussen
2018-19: 8 goals, 10 assists, 18 points in 62 games.
Salary cap hit: $894,166.
2019-20 status: Signed.
Grade: Steep drop-off after a solid first half as Rasmussen struggled to maintain physicality and a presence around the net. Had just two goals and four assists his last 23 games. Barring a big summer in the gym, he’s likely to spend time next season in Grand Rapids. D-plus.

 

[ShanahanMan]

HSJ gave grades for the various players' seasons. She really dropped the hammer on Rasmussen, saying he might be in GR next year.

Another grade A draft pick.

This is why I want to avoid Dach.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Another grade A draft pick.

This is why I want to avoid Dach.

Or we can wait and not write off any player we ever take if they're not gangbusters in their rookie year. You know, either way.

 

[Larkin2AA]

HSJ gave grades for the various players' seasons. She really dropped the hammer on Rasmussen, saying he might be in GR next year.

Speaking of Rasmussen, I saw him at Potbelly's during my work lunch today. Definitely a big boy, but needs to add strength and weight. I think he will be a lot better next year after the offseason. I am hoping Larkin brings a bunch of young kids (Veleno, Zadina, Rasmussen, etc.) with him to Barwis Methods to get the strength needed. Larkin improved his strength immensely this past summer, I'm hoping he can do the same this summer again.

 

[Shaman464]

Or we can wait and not write off any player we ever take if they're not gangbusters in their rookie year. You know, either way.

Ras had a lot of red flags when was drafted. He was a man playing in a league of children. He never put up elite numbers. And his best skills were ones that likely wouldn't translate well to the NHL. Its one thing being 6'6'' and 220 pounds in the WHL and being able to easily out muscle players. Its another thing doing that in the NHL against the best talent in the world. Unless he channels its inner Holmstrom and commits to being a real net front guy, he's going to be a bottom 6 winger.

 

[roman star]

i want some size and toughness to do the police work dealing with rats instead of mantha having to . part of my solution is playing witkowski on the 4th line full time . the other part is signing mcquaid . we arent no where near competing for a cup so dont care about record , and bad record adds up to a shot at lafraniere

 

[Hockeyfannnn91]

This off season trade

Daley to leafs 50% paid off for 2019 3rd

Helm to Winnipeg with 1,850 paid off for a 2021 3rd

Chris terry to Tampa for Callahan,2020 2nd And 2019 7th

Callahan to pens with 50% off for a 2021 4th pick

Use our year with cap space to add a bunch of picks rather than sign another nielsen longterm

Bertuzzi Larkin mantha

Hirose AA zadina

Holmstrom nielsen glendening

Abdelkader turgeon ehn

Delarose

Give holmstrom a chance and see where he’s at to start or hopefully even better svechnikov takes off in pre seasonnand takes the spot but I’m thinking a lot of the kids will start down

Dekeyser green

Hronek kronwall(sadly he will be back)

Bowey ericsson

Hicketts

I would strongly consider trading mike green ASAP and try and land a 1st if he’s producing before he gets hurt again which seems to happen yearly, we can’t afford to lose out on that potential asset

Hoping for another leafs choke job and if we can somehow land a 2nd + for glendening I’d ship him out, and if kronwall does retire pay off 50% of ericsson as well and ship him out

Think it’ll be another year of pain with some nice moments with the kids but we need to keep stock piling a ton of picks, we should 100% do something similar with Ryan Callahan if we can and MAYBE sign someone like maroon to 1 year and hope he performs with the intentions of trading him at the deadline if some kids aren’t ready

 

[Larkin2AA]

Ras had a lot of red flags when was drafted. He was a man playing in a league of children. He never put up elite numbers. And his best skills were ones that likely wouldn't translate well to the NHL. Its one thing being 6'6'' and 220 pounds in the WHL and being able to easily out muscle players. Its another thing doing that in the NHL against the best talent in the world. Unless he channels its inner Holmstrom and commits to being a real net front guy, he's going to be a bottom 6 winger.

I’d probably give him another year to develop before giving him the bottom 6 winger tag

 

[Shaman464]

I’d probably give him another year to develop before giving him the bottom 6 winger tag

He would really need to turn the corner to convince me. Being 6'6'' in the CHL is like being 7'0'' in the Italian basketball league (LBA), you're going to produce offense, and you're going to stand out. But, that doesn't always translate to being a good NBA player. Same is true here, he was able to use being huge to get time and space in front of the net in the WHL that he won't be able to get on that basis in the NHL. He will need to learn how to create space using more than just his size at the NHL level. And unless he does, he losses what was his biggest tool for scoring in his career to this point.

 

[obey86]

Ras had a lot of red flags when was drafted. He was a man playing in a league of children. He never put up elite numbers. And his best skills were ones that likely wouldn't translate well to the NHL. Its one thing being 6'6'' and 220 pounds in the WHL and being able to easily out muscle players. Its another thing doing that in the NHL against the best talent in the world. Unless he channels its inner Holmstrom and commits to being a real net front guy, he's going to be a bottom 6 winger.

I'm not a huge Ras fan or anything but it's way too early to write him off as a nothing pick. He spent the whole year playing with a bunch of no offense grinders on his line.

That being said, if you felt this way before he was drafted (as it appears you did) that's fine. I just don't think people should take too much away from his rookie year at age 19 on a bad Wings team (not saying you are, just saying).

 

[Shaman464]

I'm not a huge Ras fan or anything but it's way too early to write him off as a nothing pick. He spent the whole year playing with a bunch of no offense grinders on his line.

That being said, if you felt this way before he was drafted (as it appears you did) that's fine. I just don't think people should take too much away from his rookie year at age 19 on a bad Wings team (not saying you are, just saying).

I'm not disagreeing that he wasn't put in a position to produce, but he also don't play himself into that position either. He got passed by Helm, LGD, Abdelkader, and an undrafted player. He has the physical size to be a force out there, and this season he didn't show he was willing to use that. I just am not sure he has the tools to use that size.

 

[The Zermanator]

I'm not a huge Ras fan or anything but it's way too early to write him off as a nothing pick. He spent the whole year playing with a bunch of no offense grinders on his line.

That being said, if you felt this way before he was drafted (as it appears you did) that's fine. I just don't think people should take too much away from his rookie year at age 19 on a bad Wings team (not saying you are, just saying).

I agree that it's way too early to say for him. He has the body of a gangly awkward teenager right now, once he fills out and has a man-sized 6'6 frame we'll see what he is.

But I think it should also serve as a cautionary tale for those around here who have so much confidence in the potential of #5-10 picks to get us out of our predicament.

 

[Larkin2AA]

He would really need to turn the corner to convince me. Being 6'6'' in the CHL is like being 7'0'' in the Italian basketball league (LBA), you're going to produce offense, and you're going to stand out. But, that doesn't always translate to being a good NBA player. Same is true here, he was able to use being huge to get time and space in front of the net in the WHL that he won't be able to get on that basis in the NHL. He will need to learn how to create space using more than just his size at the NHL level. And unless he does, he losses what was his biggest tool for scoring in his career to this point.

Rookie player needs to learn *fill in blank skill here* or he won’t do well in the NHL, seems like a thing you can say for a lot of players drafted (even in the 1st round). You’re making a lot of assumptions based off his first year in the league. The kid is a project, and was known to be coming in, if you expected anything more from him in his first season in the NHL, then that’s on you homie.

 

[Shaman464]

Rookie player needs to learn *fill in blank skill here* or he won’t do well in the NHL, seems like a thing you can say for a lot of players drafted (even in the 1st round). You’re making a lot of assumptions based off his first year in the league. The kid is a project, and was known to be coming in, if you expected anything more from him in his first season in the NHL, then that’s on you homie.

Honestly, and I have said this before, I think in retrospect Ras will be a victim of the shit transfer agreement between the CHL/NHL. He should have spent the season in the AHL learning the pro game, but he got rushed to the NHL because he wasn't going to learn anything by staying in the CHL.

 

[Larkin2AA]

Honestly, and I have said this before, I think in retrospect Ras will be a victim of the **** transfer agreement between the CHL/NHL. He should have spent the season in the AHL learning the pro game, but he got rushed to the NHL because he wasn't going to learn anything by staying in the CHL.

I agree with you there. A year with the Griffins would have helped him a lot and maybe not given fans the idea that he is a bust, or is on his way to being a bust, based on his first year in the nhl.

 

[Shaman464]

I agree with you there. A year with the Griffins would have helped him a lot and maybe not given fans the idea that he is a bust, or is on his way to being a bust, based on his first year in the nhl.

I was never high on him because of red flags he had. He was the guy I actively didn't want Detroit to draft. And I think that rushing him to the NHL and being forced to play a checking role sounds very familiar, ala Jurco. I hope he can emerge as a middle 6 pp specialist winger, but, unless he can show he has the tools to use his size, I don't think he becomes more than a checking forward.

 

[Hockeyfannnn91]

I'm not a huge Ras fan or anything but it's way too early to write him off as a nothing pick. He spent the whole year playing with a bunch of no offense grinders on his line.

That being said, if you felt this way before he was drafted (as it appears you did) that's fine. I just don't think people should take too much away from his rookie year at age 19 on a bad Wings team (not saying you are, just saying).

Wasn’t a fan of his drafting at the time as I believe our biggest need has been d since lidstrom left and we had brannstrom Foote and valimaki and we take the 6’6 guy , that whole draft has been pretty mediocre and shit if you look back on it ,all bottom line d’s and f’s with grit and size for the most part

Thank god for the 2018 draft it’s still far too soon but it’s looking pretty stellar and can be big for the future, hoping we follow that trend and take some gambles our first 5 picks(counting in the 3rd as it’s basically a late second) and hit some nice ones

As you said though way too early to write off Rasmussen and I hope I’m wrong but I just see him as some grinding third line type guy that we just park in front on the ppl that’ll score 15-20 on good years and with top 10 picks that’s what I think any team should strive for, Hope I’m dead wrong

 

[NickH8]

Another grade A draft pick.

This is why I want to avoid Dach.

Dach is far from similar to Rasmussen, their only similarities are that they are big and played in the WHL

 

[lilidk]

Dach is far from similar to Rasmussen, their only similarities are that they are big and played in the WHL

one is playmaker , another scorer
Rasmussen -Dach- Zadina or Bergreen