Nothing, he's just too hard.
Carly gives him a settle and rest sometimes. Colton already done seen it all so why even bother play him forever. These cowboy **** type of players get their rest sometimes. Only then Carlyle let's it all ride again.
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Carly gives him a settle and rest sometimes. Colton already done seen it all so why even bother play him forever. These cowboy **** type of players get their rest sometimes. Only then Carlyle let's it all ride again.
Carlyle playing that old school book again. You just got to respect that thing. You already know these old coots do what they want. Stubborn hard ass is the way they go all out.
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It was great until Bozak went down, but Bozak is just a useless plug that does nothing at all.I hope we can get our PK back on track. We've allowed 4 goals on the PK in the last 3 games, and our PK has slipped down to 12th in the league.
James Mirtle also did a comparison of the PK from last season and this season; basically, we're getting insane goaltending shorthanded, but we're allowing way more shots on the PK than last year (last year the Leafs were one of the best teams at shot suppression on the PK).
Last year, Leafs were the best 5th best team in Shots Against on the PK. This year, they're the 5th worst
A big reason believe it or not is having Fraser out, so having him back definitely helps. The loss of Komarov also hurts.
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I definitely agree that people are quicker to jump on Ranger for his mistakes than any other D-man. Other than maybe Phaneuf, but he's been pretty solid so people haven't been all over him.
But where people are harping on a few Ranger mistakes here and there I think you are equally praising his break out ability on one or two beauty outlets. There have been some STINKY turnovers, and if in transition if his excellent stick work doesn't bail him out (which it often does) he is TOAST because of how slow he is. His lack of footspeed also limits his d-zone breakout ability to mainly passing, whereas Rielly can both rush and pass.
Advanced stats I really don't have time to open a can of worms about. Lol. I am all for gathering and looking at data but I still don't think it's concrete. (And yes I know this is a craaaaazy hot topic right now) You use d-zone starts combined with least 5v5 GA as a praise point, I can counter with the possibility of d-zone starts increasing the likelihood of his team starting with the puck (ie - better faceoff man out there. McClement/Bozak vs Kadri). Is winning a draw in the D-zone less dangerous for a goal against than losing one in the O-zone? I have zero stats in front of me for Leafs faceoff percentages in zones, so perhaps that hypothetical argument is wrong, I'm just trying to illustrate that IMO Advanced Stats still don't show the whole story. But I am all for them and trying to learn from them. I'm certainly not one to grumble and say they're garbage and found the stats you listed very interesting.
From a non-statistical POV, watching every game with no bias toward a certain player (I want them all to play SPECTACULARLY!), I think it's crystal clear that Ranger has been the worst D-man. I hope he has a great game tonight. But watch when he turns the puck over. If he can't whack the puck away from the opposing player, he is toast. Rielly can chase that mofo down AND provide better puck rushing (maybe not passing) to exit the zone. Just my opinion.
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Can someone tell me why Reilly is going to sit? Did the bone head coach not see the aweful paring of Fraser-Ranger? Its like he plays and favors players who have no hockey skill, but are tall and can bang people this is not the 1990's Carlyle get with the times . SPEED kills
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Bozak helps too, but again, the shots against have gotten drastically worse and that was when Bozak was still in the line-up.
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I definitely agree that people are quicker to jump on Ranger for his mistakes than any other D-man. Other than maybe Phaneuf, but he's been pretty solid so people haven't been all over him.
But where people are harping on a few Ranger mistakes here and there I think you are equally praising his break out ability on one or two beauty outlets. There have been some STINKY turnovers, and if in transition if his excellent stick work doesn't bail him out (which it often does) he is TOAST because of how slow he is. His lack of footspeed also limits his d-zone breakout ability to mainly passing, whereas Rielly can both rush and pass.
Advanced stats I really don't have time to open a can of worms about. Lol. I am all for gathering and looking at data but I still don't think it's concrete. (And yes I know this is a craaaaazy hot topic right now) You use d-zone starts combined with least 5v5 GA as a praise point, I can counter with the possibility of d-zone starts increasing the likelihood of his team starting with the puck (ie - better faceoff man out there. McClement/Bozak vs Kadri). Is winning a draw in the D-zone less dangerous for a goal against than losing one in the O-zone? I have zero stats in front of me for Leafs faceoff percentages in zones, so perhaps that hypothetical argument is wrong, I'm just trying to illustrate that IMO Advanced Stats still don't show the whole story. But I am all for them and trying to learn from them. I'm certainly not one to grumble and say they're garbage and found the stats you listed very interesting.
From a non-statistical POV, watching every game with no bias toward a certain player (I want them all to play SPECTACULARLY!), I think it's crystal clear that Ranger has been the worst D-man. I hope he has a great game tonight. But watch when he turns the puck over. If he can't whack the puck away from the opposing player, he is toast. Rielly can chase that mofo down AND provide better puck rushing (maybe not passing) to exit the zone. Just my opinion.
GO LEAFS GO!
I actually agree with most of what you are saying, except that in the end I come down to the conclusion that Ranger has been our perhaps fourth best defensemen, with the middle group all rather close together.
You could say that what I'm striving for is your kind of reasoning, where you are able to see both sides of the player. Where he makes mistakes but also has some great plays to spring the offense, where he is immobile but has excellent stick work etc.
If my posts can make some people react and shirk away some from the worst scapegoating, I'm fine. Not trying to convince people that Ranger is great, because he hasn't been (even though his stats claim he has).
When the guy outmuscles Getzlaf and pokes the puck free for a 2-on-1 for Kessel and there's no one that seems to notice it, it makes me feel like people are missing out.
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He is sharpening the knuckles for the match against Jon Scott and the feebles.
Jon Scott is playing and is "excited"......there better be atleast 1! statement shift.
What the hell? The Lupul-JVR-Kessel line hasn't been working out.
Should just keep it as Raymond-JVR-Kessel and Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin or make it JVR-Kadri-Kessel, Lupul-McClement-Clarkson
Should just keep it as Raymond-JVR-Kessel and Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin or make it JVR-Kadri-Kessel, Lupul-McClement-Clarkson
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Get. Out. Of. My. Head. Same line-up I've wanted for a while now
Either this or let Franson sit a game for Fraser (depends if Fraser wants to get playing time to get back from his injury or wants to slowly ease back into the line-up).
I dunno why we're putting JVR at C when Raymond was a perfectly fine stopgap for the Canucks last year there. I doubt we'll see a change in the forward lineup though.I really love the look of that D. Gardiner and Dion need some time together, I think they could work together quite well. While Rielly gets someone more reliable who won't leave him out to dry all the time in Gunnarsson. The third pairing gets the most sheltered minute with Franson and either Ranger/Fraser.
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larry hoover posted this in the other thread
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2...to-beat-a-3-man-forecheck-paul-ranger-edition
The guy is playing well and much better than the start of the season.
Once again another edition of leafs nation's, once a scapegoat, always a scape goat.
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2...to-beat-a-3-man-forecheck-paul-ranger-edition
The guy is playing well and much better than the start of the season.
Once again another edition of leafs nation's, once a scapegoat, always a scape goat.
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Ranger is a bottom pairing D man, he doesn't play against other team's toughest competition. He has struggled at times and the leash is tightening.
I am not here to say I don't want him on our team, he is what he is, a 6th or 7th D man.
What I am saying is he is not immovable, he is like Kostka last season. Infact I think Kostka was a little better.
But let's not pretend he has been a pleasant surprise for us that would prevent the Leafs from playing Rielly. When Rielly has been really good for us, and with the more he plays has gradually gotten better for us. As most 19 year olds do.
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kostka was better? That is not correct at all. Ranger is the last person that should be scratched.
you need to watch the games.
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I really love the look of that D. Gardiner and Dion need some time together, I think they could work together quite well. While Rielly gets someone more reliable who won't leave him out to dry all the time in Gunnarsson. The third pairing gets the most sheltered minute with Franson and either Ranger/Fraser.
Exactly! I think JVR should only be used at C if they think he can become a C long-term. I'm pretty sure they're just using him as a stop-gap, and if that's the case they should just use Raymond who has proven he can play C. Also, pairing Rielly with somebody a bit more reliable than Franson or Ranger (when he was playing bad) would be great for his development and our play. Gardiner proved in the playoffs and his rookie year that he can eat minutes while playing effectively, so why not put him with Phaneuf?
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