18/19 MGMT thread VIIII

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  1. Son of a Dawson

    Son of a Dawson Benning the incompetent

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    I can't see how this doesn't look bad on the organization.

    Teams across the league must be wondering what the hell are Benning and Weisbrod thinking this time around? Start a 19 year old goaltender who isn't near ready for the rigors of the NHL, smooth.

    Sure Dipietro's long term development may not by phased by this one game but it certainly isn't ideal, the kid is 19 years old and should be playing in the OHL.

    First NHL start is against the second best team in the league that is an offensive powerhouse. Nice way to get your feet wet.

    The inability of management to prepare for such a scenario after months of time to make a transaction to address the goaltending depth is just mind boggling.

    I mean, running Markstrom into the ground is one strategy but how could they not assume at some point the goaltending situation was gonna bite them in the ass.

    Hello, McFly!!
     
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    RonningMorrisonBooth Support the boys!

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  3. PG Canuck

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    Dylan Ferguson played in the NHL last year, straight from the WHL, however Vegas was in a much worse situation. They legitimately had goalies dropping like flies for them. Vegas used Dansk, Subban and Lagace before they had to revert to Ferguson for one game.

    Canucks went right to DiPietro.
     
  4. I in the Eye

    I in the Eye Drop a ball it falls

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    There's lots of time to teach DiPietro to swim. He was thrown in the deep end and sank like a rock. You can advocate to throw him in again with hope he floats... Maybe he'll only let in 7 goals... That might be your type of progress, but for the best for everyone involved, hire a swimmer and leave DiPietro for the wave pool. He's not ready nor trained for NHL games. It took ****ing Demko years to get his first. Since we're in a playoff race, I'd like to see the Canucks beat the odds (it's at least exciting to follow some in season goal)... but alas, the stupidity of the organization continues to rear it's ugly head, and I'm reminded, it's more than odds they need to overcome. The Canucks are just too stupid to make the playoffs.
     
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    RonningMorrisonBooth Support the boys!

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    By the way we can add Daniel Sedin to the list of “Benning shills” because he obviously needs the paycheck after retiring with millions of dollars. He was interviewed today and went out of his way to mention management several times in his praise of the team. How much are they paying him to do this? Let’s all speculate.
     
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    RonningMorrisonBooth Support the boys!

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    It’s not normal for 4 pro goalies that you should have available in Markstrom, Demko, Bachman all to be injured at the same time and for Nillson’s replacement to be claimed on waivers. You can’t waste a bunch of contract slots on goalies you don’t normally need just in case a one in a thousand situation happens where all of your pro goalies get hurt. Again, maybe management is learning from Demko and adapting to the wchanging landscape of the NHL which is seeing younger and younger goalies making an impact and this informed their decision to give Dipietro a cup of coffee. I’m hoping that Demko and Markstrom will be healthy enough to pick up the load and allow Dipietro to continue to work on his game in the CHL and I agree it’s not ideal to have him playing tonight but it’s also not the end of the world and there are positives that everyone is overlooking because all they can see is an opportunity to bash the management by acting like it is the end of the world for Dipietro because he had One tough game.
     
  7. Phenomenon13

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    I agree that I don't believe Dipietro is scarred nor do I believe one game will severely hamper his long term development. However, it's possible to have a minor negative effect on his short term development. Also, I disagree that there's nothing but positives here. There's a reason very very few 19 year old goalies don't play in the NHL. In the modern era, it is extremely rare and for good reason. This is not the ideal way to develop a goalie. If it was, you'd see more organizations doing this.


    You're leaving out the context about Price though. Price was older and won at every level including WJC gold and AHL Calder Cup. Price was getting booed because fans had high high expectations for him. He went from a .920% in his rookie year to .905%. Price had an excellent rookie year and proved himself to be an NHL ready goalie. That was a drastic step back and factoring in the fact that Halak was outplaying him that year. The Canadiens also went from 1st seed Eastern team to a 8th seed Eastern team. The problems for Price's drop in numbers wasn't solely on Price's play. There's also a big difference, Price was 22 when he had that down year.

    If you want to compare, Price won his first game against a contender team Penguins.
    Carey Price earns win in NHL debut as Canadiens beat Penguins 3-2

    Dipietro's resume doesn't stack up to Price's at the moment.
     
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    They only had to contracted goalies for about a month now. It is not wasting a contract spot on a what if scenario if you are right in the middle of that very IF. This bunch of moron in the head office has no ability at all to deal with potential difficulties because they are not looking ahead. Instead of being pro-active they just react to what ever happens and sometimes (as in this case) not even that. They are just in over their head.
     
  9. tantalum

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    people still defending this **** management? Yikes.

    The only things this did was cost a team that for some reason has playoff aspirations a chance at 2 points and now it will put Benning in panic mode because there is no way that after that he can go into the next game with Dipietro on the roster.
     
  10. Askel

    Askel By the way Benning should be fired.

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    Demko, Bachman and Markstrom makes it three goalies, not 4. Math is hard I guess.
    And Bachman was already out for the season when we tried to waive McKenna.
     
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    TruGr1t Proper Villain

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    This.

    How can anyone look at the current situation and defend this management group. It's insane. This scenario is entirely of their own making. That's not even getting into the chronic mismanagement of injured players that seems to be underlying much of the problem.
     
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    There are posters that read this talk and think we are just playing forum politics or being unfair to good ole Jim.

    Its a difficult situation to lose 3 of your top3 goalies to injury after trading 1 away for peanuts but it is a self inflicted wound. If they manage the deal better and actually end up with a 3rd goalie we are fine.
     
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    My arthritis is acting up right now, i'm not going to be able to post here for a little while. We'll take our argument back up if the Canucks make the playoffs. Good Day, Sir.
     
  14. Hit the post

    Hit the post I have your gold medal Zippy!

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    Reminds of the time they forgot to do the proper paperwork so certain players could play for the Comets in their post-season run. Must have had "CBA expert" Weisbrod in charge of that.
     
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    The worst thing that could happen to this team right now isn't getting shelled with a teenage goalie between the pipes.

    No, worse would be actually hanging around in this playoff turtle derby. The Blues and Wild need to get on a roll and put them out of their playoff pipe dream. This team desperately needs a high lottery pick again and to become a 'seller' at the trade deadline.

    The only real unfortunate thing is that they could get whacked just as easily by throwing someone like Michael Leighton to the wolves (Sharks), instead of one of the prize goaltending prospects.
     
  16. cookiefest

    cookiefest but recapture penalty

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    Kari Lehtonen and Steve Mason both preformed adequately in NHL games last year and are currently free agents. You're telling me neither of those guys would've signed cheap NHL deals if they got offered right now?

    Leafs got Michael Hutchinson for a 5th round pick next season.

    Calvin Pickard and Chad Johnson were waived earlier this season.

    This is indefensible, to not achieve such an incredibly mundane task in over a month is unacceptable, no other way to put it. You shouldn't expect to see ECHL teams managed like this.
     
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    The Sutter and Gubdranson situations are shaping up to be another example of really terrible roster management. These two players, unbelievably, had some sort of value last season (there were reports multiple teams called on both players and were rebuffed). Now Bob McKenzie is on the radio this morning saying nobody is calling on Sutter and he wasn't going to be moved. His value is now in the tank. Meanwhile, Gudbranson has been exposed as an absolutely terrible player who Jason Botchford just said "blows up every pairing he's on and is a total liability." Whatever sort of mythical "good-looking, character value" the guy had is completely gone.

    Fortunately the contracts aren't terrible in terms of length. These guys will be likely be lucky to find jobs after the Canucks are done with them. Though that's the case with the majority of Benning's pro-level acquisitions.

    The best thing is we could have traded them and, at worst, probably had the same freaking outcome on the ice.
     
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    cookiefest but recapture penalty

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    I still can't get over the decision to extend instead of trade Gudbranson last year. His perceived value around the league was still pretty high, whereas now I imagine that's basically evaporated especially since you'd have to pick up the tab on two more years instead of him being a rental like he would've been last season.

    Same deal with Sutter who was good last season only to fall off a cliff this year and constantly be hurt. We know that teams were calling on him last year and if they had eyes on signing a Beagle type in the summer then that was the time to sell on high on him.

    Once again the persistent problem with this administration of not only acquiring trash overpaid veterans and fringe junk, but the commitment to not cutting any of them loose.
     
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    420Canuck Conversion software, version 7.0

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    Really wishing Drop The Sopel didn't take his ball and run home.
     
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    As I've said before, Benning becomes to invested in his players. Linden was also at fault for this citing how he couldn't tell the Sedins we were going to rebuild, tear it down, and etc...

    Lightning shipped out their 2 greatest franchise players via trade and buyout because it was what was best for their organization. Yzerman makes mistakes like marchessault going to Florida but overall he makes decisions that are the best for his team and capitalizes on opportunity ex. Bishop

    I'm not saying we ship out the Sedins but it's just the emotional attachment and inability to be cold hearted enough to make the right calls are what hampers this organization. I view the Dipietro situation in a similar manner, the inability to realize that mistakes were made and unwilling to fix it due to either overattachment or pride.

    Sutter, Gudbranson, Sbisa, Granlund, Pouliot, MDZ, etc... players that Benning acquired and continually get re-signed at all costs despite their terrible on-ice play.
     
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    Drop the Sopel Feaster famine

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    What a joke this whole situation was. The level of managing and planning is just appalling here. They basically got nothing out of Nilsson, didn't give themselves a chance to get 2 points last night, and rekt DiPietro in the process.

    A true Benning trifecta.
     
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    So they only needed to be publicly embarrassed? LOL
     
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    'rekt DiPietro'.?..oh,the drama..lol
     
  25. 420Canuck

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    What's your opinion on the whole situation.

    I see you're going thread to thread to spread your faux outrage at the drama.

    Do you think they handled this whole thing well. Please, please give me the courtesy of at least 3 sentences. Thx.
     
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