Post-Game Talk: #12: FLYERS 3 at Ducks 2, Tuesday, Oct. 30, 2018, 10:00 p.m. ET

[Curufinwe]

Even during the Berube era, as much as I *****ed and complained I always would root for the boys to come out with a win. I just don’t feel the same now, I woke up hoping for a loss so this POS would get shot out of a cannon back to the badlands where he belongs. So I guess deep down I’d rather lose now and fire a guy that hurts us everyday he’s here, rather than 3 more years of mediocrity.

The Berube era didn't even last two full seasons. It's perfectly reasonable to be totally done with Hak after three years of the same problems that never ever get fixed.

 

[BernieParent]

The nitpickers are out in full force.

Anaheim was playing soft and we took full advantage. In some ways it was more like a scrimmage, but still a good "practice" season to get ready for San Jose saturday. Kings may be why Goul is on the trip.

Fourth line played badly despite the effort of NAK, that, and it was his first game on the West Coast (and he was hyped) explains his low minutes, all three had low minutes - and they were the only line to give up more scoring changes than they created.

Third line was much better, their problem was they played like the 4th line last year, possession, scoring chances but unable to close the deal. Neither Simmonds or Weise can score anymore and Weal does everything but finish.

Second line was great, Voracek had one of his best games, including a backcheck to break up a high danger scoring chance, but he simply is a below par shooter, you're not going to score on every shot, but that weak ass stuff . . .

First line looked like they have their mojo back.

Hagg played because he's an effective pairing with Provorov right now, if it works, don't fix it.
Eventually I expect Provorov and Ghost back together, but Hagg has definitely made big steps this year.
Sanheim's ES minutes are puzzling, since he looked much better than Gudas. Wonder if he was dinged?
Folin has nailed AMac to the bench until he's sent down to make room for Morin, Myers or Friedman.

Weise has two weeks before JVR returns, then PT will be hard to come by.
NAK will get a long look, if he gets sent back he'll return in the spring, but I think Hextall wants him to win a job.

"Full advantage", to me, would be winning handily by multiple goals, not needing a goal with fewer than 2 minutes in regulation after giving up an all-too-predictable PK goal to tie things up. The team went into full circle-the-wagons mode with a bit over 8 minutes left and it cost them. Weak zone work leads to Laughton giving up the puck for a high-danger chance, requiring a penalty to be taken. The PK actually started out pretty aggressively, then they went department-store mannequin, Elliott took an angle to cover the Zamboni doors, and we're all tied up against a team looking even more disjointed and disinterested than the Flyers have been.

 

[BernieParent]

I willingly put a target on my forehead by saying I was disappointed with Giroux's shooting last night. He had 4 (by my count) teed-up looks and time to pick his spot and yet Miller didn't need to make a spectacular save on any.

 

[FlyTimmo]

Why didn't these same numbers lead to the same conclusions last year? Or with Sanheim ever?

 

[Jtown]

Exactly. Slave animal labor i was thinking the same thing

 

[Adam Warlock]

Special teams have been a disaster. Hak finally does the right thing by making adjustments that seem to work...then at the end of the game he goes back to the old way and then they blow a chance to put the game away on the pp and lose the lead on a pk.

Him and Hextall are the most stubborn men alive and our team is paying for it.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

I willingly put a target on my forehead by saying I was disappointed with Giroux's shooting last night. He had 4 (by my count) teed-up looks and time to pick his spot and yet Miller didn't need to make a spectacular save on any.

I mean, he set up the first two Flyers goals. This seems nitpicky.

 

[bb12]

When I look at this team on paper, my big 4 items are fixable. But it won't happen.

JVR for weise
Need a 4C
Amac/frolin need to be replaced by Myers
Goaltending. We need to give Lyon or stolly some time. Elliott pickard and Nuevy ruined their chances

 

[Curufinwe]

Stolie can't even get time on the Phantoms.

 

[FlyersMania2]

Not a fan of it either but players give the helmet out. They probably feel he has battled his way back from being waived and then promoted to the third line. They probably wanted to give him a little credit for his work. That’s probably what happened here.

Like a participation trophy. Hakstol is making this team weak. You don't deserve accolades for zero points, zero shots and taking a penalty. If your teammates think you're the most worthy of the helmet based on that perhaps some of them need to hit the road with Hakstol

 

[Rebels57]

It's pretty hilarious that even though the organization signed Folin to be the #7, everyone here knew that not only would he play, he would play more than Sanheim, regardless of which player was performing better.

What a predictable, pathetic, 2nd rate organization.

 

[Rebels57]

When I look at this team on paper, my big 4 items are fixable. But it won't happen.

JVR for weise
Need a 4C
Amac/frolin need to be replaced by Myers
Goaltending. We need to give Lyon or stolly some time. Elliott pickard and Nuevy ruined their chances

You forgot the most important required replacement of all, Hakstol and Lappy.

 

[deadhead]

Folin is playing just fine, don't know why people think he's a problem.
The defense is coming together, with Provorov with his mojo back I don't see a lot of issues.
The first two lines are finally settling in. Patrick looked like the player we saw at the end of last season.

The real problem right now are the goalies, though Elliott has gone from terrible to passable the last couple weeks, and the bottom six, which doesn't have one solid forward, either it's Lehtera and Weise playing above their norm (is it sustainable?) or Laughton, Simmonds below their norm (is this a fluke or a sign of things to come?) and Weal being Weal.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's pretty hilarious that even though the organization signed Folin to be the #7, everyone here knew that not only would he play, he would play more than Sanheim, regardless of which player was performing better.

What a predictable, pathetic, 2nd rate organization.

Who predicted Folin replacing MacDonald in the lineup? It's not health related anymore. His injury happened two months ago. And MacDonald is the only dman who has played less than Folin.

NHL.com - Stats

 

[Beef Invictus]

Who predicted Folin replacing MacDonald in the lineup? It's not health related anymore. His injury happened two months ago. And MacDonald is the only dman who has played less than Folin.

NHL.com - Stats

I don't know that anybody could have predicted Mac would be as bad as he has been. He looks like an ECHLer.

 

[Ruck Over]

As a fan of the no pants movement, I find this representation of Donald Duck to be offensive, and highly out of character. As is the will and wont of many animated animal characters, lacking genitalia, Donald Duck is better depicted not wearing pants. I'm not sure which is the bigger crime against good taste, the Flyers continual employment of the current coaching staff, or drawing pants/overalls onto Donald Duck.

For shame, spreading such smutty filth around FlyTimmo. For shame.

 

[Rebels57]

Who predicted Folin replacing MacDonald in the lineup? It's not health related anymore. His injury happened two months ago. And MacDonald is the only dman who has played less than Folin.

NHL.com - Stats

You and I both know he will be back in the lineup and into the top 4 at some point in the not-so-distant future.

 

[Adam Warlock]

When I look at this team on paper, my big 4 items are fixable. But it won't happen.

JVR for weise
Need a 4C
Amac/frolin need to be replaced by Myers
Goaltending. We need to give Lyon or stolly some time. Elliott pickard and Nuevy ruined their chances

JVR-Giroux-Konecny
Lindblom-Coots-Voracek
Laughton-Patrick-Simmonds
Raffl-Vorobyov-Aube-Kubel
Weal

Provy-Ghost
Sanheim-Gudas
Hagg-Myers
Folin

That is the line up I want to see when everyone is healthy.

 

[Curufinwe]

Just like you knew NAK would be a healthy scratch last night.

 

[Rebels57]

Just like you knew NAK would be a healthy scratch last night.

5:44 of TOI, so he might as well have been.

It came down to Goul vs NAK so I had a 50/50 shot of getting that one right. That's why I don't go to the casino

Do you think MacDonald will be re-inserted into our lineup and into the top 4 at some point this season?

 

[Curufinwe]

He hasn't played his last game for the Flyers, but he's working his way down the lineup. Nothing lasts forever.

 

[Lindberg]

Folin is playing just fine, don't know why people think he's a problem.
The defense is coming together, with Provorov with his mojo back I don't see a lot of issues.
The first two lines are finally settling in. Patrick looked like the player we saw at the end of last season.

The real problem right now are the goalies, though Elliott has gone from terrible to passable the last couple weeks, and the bottom six, which doesn't have one solid forward, either it's Lehtera and Weise playing above their norm (is it sustainable?) or Laughton, Simmonds below their norm (is this a fluke or a sign of things to come?) and Weal being Weal.

Folin has no business playing in a top 4 role. He can't skate, can't shoot, and his passing is suspect.

 

[Rebels57]

He hasn't played his last game for the Flyers, but he's working his way down the lineup. Nothing lasts forever.

We shall see. I hope you're right. I suspect you're not though.

 

[Ruck Over]

Nothing lasts forever.

Ahh, the GMRH modus operandi. Don't take actions on removing folks, just wait for their contracts to end, and then it'll take care of itself. Next on the list- Wayne Simmonds! & jori lehtera.

Edit: That's not entirely fair. Hextall did proactively resolve to remove Pronger, Grossmann, and VLC from the roster. Some credit is due, point still stands.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

We really need to get these young guys some more ice time if they are going to grow.

Simmonds has been brutal and deserves the grocery stick spot on the bench