NBA 10 Best Players Who Entered the League After 84-85

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  1. Joliet Jake it what you want, I call it messin with the kid

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    In no order:

    LeBron
    The Mailman is top 3 in Regular Season PPG, Playoffs PPG, Playoffs RPG, and top 5 in Regular Season RPG during this period.
    Duncan
    Dirk
    Garnett
    Shaq
    CP3
    Robinson
    Miller
    Kobe
     
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    Durant has to be up there, pretty easily over everyone else listed besides the obvious 5 (LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Malone). Curry and Wade pretty easily over Pierce, Miller, Paul and Payton.

    Not in order:

    LeBron
    Durant
    Kobe
    Duncan
    Shaq
    Malone
    Robinson
    Curry
    Wade
    Dirk
    Garnett
    Harden

    HM: Iverson, Nash, Paul
     
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    In loose order:

    James
    O'Neal
    Durant
    Duncan
    Garnett
    Bryant
    Malone
    Leonard
    Harden
    Robinson
    Paul
    Nowitzki
     
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    Lebron
    Shaq
    Curry
    Giannis
    Garnett
    Duncan
    Bryant
    Robinson
    Durant
    Wade
    Nowitzki
    Nash

    Strongly emphasized peak level and left Malone off for Giannis. By career value this would look different.
     
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    Paul Pierce?! :facepalm: :facepalm:

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    Literally every player on that list is better than Pierce.
     
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    Sorting by career win shares is simply not a very effective way to determine career value. Pierce had a nice long career as an all-NBA player but that undersells how much more championship probability guys with shorter careers but much higher peaks (e.g. Wade and Durant so far) brought. Malone also has no argument for 2nd best NBA player over that stretch as well given his much lower peak and diminished playoff effectiveness compared to some players.
     
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    Points per game is a much worse stat to measure a player's entire value by than Win Shares but keep going.

    Malone's true shooting dropped from 57.7% in the regular season to 52.8% in the postseason. Massive drop. He became a significantly less efficient scorer. His defensive ability was way behind all of the other bigs mentioned here except for Shaq and Dirk, who were much better offensively. Rebounding should be weighed pretty lightly.
     
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    Do you always agree with ESPN? Or just when you can't think of an argument of your own? Malone was a slightly better scorer than Garnett but significantly worse at every other aspect of basketball that matters. The defensive gap in particular was huge. He had a better career than Dirk but worse peak. Not sure what Moses has to do with anything but I don't rate him ahead of Karl anyway.
     
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    Even then, he was All-NBA four times, never on the first team, and three of the four times it was the 3rd team.
     

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