1. round picks that were listed in 3. round or even lower

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  1. alko

    alko Registered User

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    in terms of 1. round picks.

    Does this ever happen?
    That some player was listed in fast every pre-draft ranking list as a 3. round pick? Or even lower?

    And what about 2. round?
     
  2. Connor McJesus

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    Some guys are picked in the 1st round while they were not even listed as a draft option for the whole 7 rounds by other teams. Examples : Alex Picard CBJ 2004, David Fischer MTL 2006, i'm sure there's a ton.
     
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    Brock Nelson for the Isles. I remember at least McKeens had him as a 3rd round pick
     
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    Wrong! Mckeens had him ranked in the 30's and he went 30th overall
     
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    I remember last year when TSN were trying to find the profile of Joey Hishon on their list because it was so off the board:yo:
     
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    All of the aforementioned players did get some 1st round mention at least. The last truly out of nowhere pick in the 1st round was Adrian Foster by New Jersey back in 2001. Central Scouting didn't have him ranked at all and he wasn't expected to be drafted, let alone at 28th overall.
     
  7. McRpro

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    Derek Morris and Jesse Ninnimaki(sp) are the two players that came to my mind first.
     
  8. Wats

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    Fischer was ranked 29th in central scouting: http://cdn.nhl.com/futures/cssrankings/2006final/naskaters.pdf
     
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    hototogisu Poked the bear!!!!!

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    I think he's just referring to an example of teams who can have one guy rated as a first rounder, while others have him as a ND, as Columbus did for David Fischer as detailed in Gare Joyce's Future Greats and Heartbreaks.
     
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    Nope, just checked my McKeens Guide from last year, he was 62nd in their ranking. ISS had him at 28
     
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    Ryan Johansen shot up really quickly. Many in the public were surprised at him being taken #4 overall.

    However it seems that, by the draft, most NHL scouts had him top-10 with some (including Jackets and Oilers) had him top-5.
     
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    I think Philippe Paradis was ranked late 2nd round and early 3rd on most lists and he ended up going 27th overal to the hurricanes in 2009
     
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    The best exemple from last year draft was Kevin Hayes.
    He was ranked : 54(FC), 49(TSN), 47(ISS), 44(THN) and 43(TSR) but still was draft 24th by hawks.
    He wasn't neither in top 30 of RLR and McKeen's.

    Here is his stats: 4 G, 10 A, 14 PTS in 31 games for Boston College

    Not much of a success there.....
     
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    Not too many freshmen at BC put up staggering stats to begin with...Give him time
     
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    I'm guessing it's because you have to be pretty exceptional to bump anybody down the depth chart your first year of college. Also, he's got pretty good size to build on still - it's way too early to say he's not a solid pick.
     
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    Where was Visentin ranked before the draft?
     
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    Brent Burns was not on anybody's radar as a 1st rounder, 39 on Central Scouting's final list for NA skaters.
     
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    This is the big example from last years draft, imo (#52 McKeens, #64 FC).

    Also, TJ Oshie and Blake Wheeler, but nobody beats Adrian Foster.
     
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    Wasn't Sasha Pokulok (14th overall WAS 2005) considered an off the reservation type pick? or am I just remembering it wrong.
     
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    Here's one from the archives .....

    In 1992 the Jets drafted Sergei Bautin 17th overall. Then GM Mike Smith was high on Russians and with a severe lack of NHL depth on their blueline they opted to draft this 25 year old pro who could step right in and play immediately. Pretty sure he was nowhere on anybody's radar.

    Seem to remember the announcers did not know who he was and in fact they misheard his name when it was called out and thought it was actually Sergei Brylin who was later drafted by the Devils.
     
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    Nick Antropov went from being ranked 53rd to being drafted 10th. (ie.: low second rounder to high first rounder)

    Blake Wheeler went from being ranked 31st to being drafted 5th.

    Joey Hishon went from being ranked 46th to being drafted 17th.
     
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    Was Tj Oshie not ranked in the 80's by central scouting?
     
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    I'm not sure where Thomas HIckey was ranked pre draft, but I remember him being a suprise at #4.
     
  24. OilerOlli*

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    Alex Plante and Riley Nash by the Oilers 2007. Or Niinimäki. And so on.
    The Oilers are pretty good at making bad first round selections.
     
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    Derek Morris is a big one. Teemu Riihjarvi with San Jose the year before was another big one.

    Adrian Foster was a real wild card pick. Two years prior, he'd been universally recognized as a future high first-round pick, then all sorts of abdominal problems wiped out the ensuing seasons.

    The drafts of the 90s had all sorts of wild cards. I think it was '99 that had Evgeny Lazarev, who had major talent but spent more time in court fighting everyone than actually being on the ice.
     

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