1 Compliance Buyout in the 2021-2022 Season who would you choose?

[Dicdonya]

Karlsson.

Since I advocate rebuilding, I want the 11.5 mil of cap space now to make moves with. While Vlasic will be next to impossible to trade at 7mil, I think you could pretty easily convince a team to take him for his experience and past pedigree at 4 maybe even 5 mil.

 

[OffSydes]

This a good sign of things to come

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Karlsson.

Since I advocate rebuilding, I want the 11.5 mil of cap space now to make moves with. While Vlasic will be next to impossible to trade at 7mil, I think you could pretty easily convince a team to take him for his experience and past pedigree at 4 maybe even 5 mil.

Yeah but the team isn't going to retain to that degree long term. I don't think any team has done more than 1.5 on someone with term.

 

[Dicdonya]

Yeah but the team isn't going to retain to that degree long term. I don't think any team has done more than 1.5 on someone with term.

You are most likely correct, but the thread title is what would I choose, not what do I think the Sharks would choose.

Disregarding precedent, would you personally be willing to retain 2mil on Vlasic if someone took him now? Saving 5 mil in cap over the next 5 years. I know I sure would.

 

[hohosaregood]

Karlsson is overpaid by like $3m. Vlasic is overpaid $6m. I think it's an easy choice.

 

[DeepBlueSea408]

i wish we could go back to the days where DW was so against passing out contracts longer then 3-4 years -_-

 

[Pinkfloyd]

You are most likely correct, but the thread title is what would I choose, not what do I think the Sharks would choose.

Disregarding precedent, would you personally be willing to retain 2mil on Vlasic if someone took him now? Saving 5 mil in cap over the next 5 years. I know I sure would.

If it meant saving five mil probably but I can't see us dumping five mil without taking crap back.

 

[seroes]

Most of us here are in agreement it seems. Vlassic is an albatross. But I wonder if we are 2 or 3 years down the line if the answer changes. If Karlsson continues his 25 point pace I would probably switch at that point.

 

[Dicdonya]

If it meant saving five mil probably but I can't see us dumping five mil without taking crap back.

While I certainly do not think it would be super easy, all we need is one GM who loves vets, and experience, and thinks Vlasic just needs a change of scenery, and bam Vlasic would be gone at 5mil per.

There have been plenty of silly moves like that over the years, that I do not think it is far fetched. In the mean time, we have 11.5 mil in cap to start doing something with while we look for that silly fool of a GM to take Vlasic.

Worst case scenario, since I would only do this under the assumption of a rebuild, we keep Vlasic for 5 more years during a rebuild, during which time his cap hit will help us hit the floor and be no issue at all for at least the first 3 years and most likely not be an issue ever unless the rebuild goes amazing well, and we are already trying to go all in for a cup within 5 years, which would be shocking.

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

i wish we could go back to the days where DW was so against passing out contracts longer then 3-4 years -_-

Seriously, what the hell happened to that GM?

 

[Coily]

Karlsson is so broken I almost chose him. Still, Vlasic is playing men's league hockey in the NHL so I picked him.

 

[fasterthanlight]

I voted vlasic, but I think the case for ek is pretty strong. IMO vlasics contact is movable in a raising cap. But yeah it's still vlasic

 

[sharski]

Seriously, what the hell happened to that GM?

he became emotionally compromised

as ruthless as he is negotiating with GMs he’s as soft on re-signing his handpicked trade acquisitions

 

[mogambomoroo]

Vlasic all day, every day!

 

[Kcoyote3]

Seriously, what the hell happened to that GM?

He got burned by Brian Campbell not re-signing with SJ, then when he traded for Burns he handed out a 5 year contract, followed up by an 8 year contract.

He got burned when PM was the first of the "Big 3" to leave the team, so he signed Vlasic to a massive contract because he wants to keep him.

He got burned when Tavares wouldn't sign in SJ, so he signed Couture to a massive contract, then traded for Karlsson, couldn't lose him after giving up all those pieces so he signed him to a massive contract.

 

[STL Shark]

He got burned by Brian Campbell not re-signing with SJ, then when he traded for Burns he handed out a 5 year contract, followed up by an 8 year contract.

He got burned when PM was the first of the "Big 3" to leave the team, so he signed Vlasic to a massive contract because he wants to keep him.

He got burned when Tavares wouldn't sign in SJ, so he signed Couture to a massive contract, then traded for Karlsson, couldn't lose him after giving up all those pieces so he signed him to a massive contract.

Bits of this are probably correct, but overall not it. He signed Vlasic to make up for being one of the biggest bargains in the NHL through his 20's. Couture's contract is probably close to adequate value (within a half million probably) but got destroyed with the cap not rising. Karlsson was maybe a million over what I wanted at the time but that was the cost of not going to UFA and letting other teams take their shot at him. He just has played like absolute garbage this year.

Guess it goes back to you'll almost never regret the guy you didn't sign to a big deal, but you will almost always regret the guy you did. That said, until there is a leaguewide change in philosophy on those deals, you're almost always going to have to play that game in UFA or trades. Unless you tank for a prolonged period of time to build a Crosby/Malkin, McDavid/Draisatl, Toews/Kane, etc. duo that allow you to just nibble around the edges with ELC guys and cheap short term veteran players you're going to have a bulk of your core overpaid for term because it's better for a team trying to contend to have that guy than to not (same deal with the NFL and QBs).

Really the only solution given where we are now is to get creative and make a big risky trade or to tear it to the studs and accumulate picks for guys that actually have value like Kane, Meier, and Hertl. It would suck in the near term, but that is probably the best path forward given the state of our prospect pool and NHL roster. I like the way that we have drafted the past couple years, but those guys are just going to need time to get here and be good NHL players and this core will be burnt toast by the time that happens. So may as well accumulate more picks to build another core for 2-3 years down the road (barring the miracle DW trade).

 

[CupfortheSharks]

To me it comes down to whether or not you think the team can contend for the cup in the next few years. Vlasic is the choice if you think we could use the $7M in cap space to make this team a contender. If you don’t think that is realistic, Karlsson is the choice. His contract is longer and more expensive.

I think they are both anchor contracts. Add in the other aging players on long term contracts and the lack of high end talent on ELCs and I think we should rebuild, so I chose Karlsson.

 

[stator]

Perhaps in expansion drafts, particularly for teams in the same division, they should get a compliance buyout to help even things out. Otherwise, it's a lopsided affair completely different from the Sharks' first year.

 

[one2gamble]

i wish we could go back to the days where DW was so against passing out contracts longer then 3-4 years -_-

that probably cost this team multiple cups or at least multiple finals appearances

 

[Pinkfloyd]

that probably cost this team multiple cups or at least multiple finals appearances

Among other things like not pulling the trigger on Michalek and Ehrhoff for Pronger.

 

[Lebanezer]

Among other things like not pulling the trigger on Michalek and Ehrhoff for Pronger.

That was not a smart trade to decline.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

Seriously, what the hell happened to that GM?

The CBA changed, the league changed. All the guys he signed would have walked if they didn't get the 8 years. that 8th year is the only thing a team has as an advantage when resigning their own UFAs.

That was not a smart trade to decline.

Especially because that was Pronger at his peak. Whatever team he went to seemed to get to the cup final.

 

[Pavelski2112]

The CBA changed, the league changed. All the guys he signed would have walked if they didn't get the 8 years. that 8th year is the only thing a team has as an advantage when resigning their own UFAs.

Especially because that was Pronger at his peak. Whatever team he went to seemed to get to the cup final.

Plus it would've meant that Anaheim probably wouldn't have gotten theirs either.

 

[stator]

I would like to trade both Vlasic and Karlsson for a 1st round, and a couple of 2/3 round picks, and free about $19M in cap space. I'd add Jones to that list as well, but I don't think any team would want that contract for their AHL goalies.

 

[Levie]

I would like to trade both Vlasic and Karlsson for a 1st round, and a couple of 2/3 round picks, and free about $19M in cap space. I'd add Jones to that list as well, but I don't think any team would want that contract for their AHL goalies.

And I would like to trade hertl for mcdavid