GDT: Zykov vs McDavid

[DaveG]

I’ve meet Osgood, he’s a really nice guy.

I don't doubt that for one bit. He's never come across as a douchebag, just one of those guys that benefited from playing for the closest thing we had to a dynasty for 20 years so he gets a lot more credit then he likely should.



You know, up until about 2 weeks ago I was firmly in the "Peters deserves a shot with an improved roster" camp, and I'm still sure he's actually a pretty good coach. But that probably can't be here, seems like the team has tuned him out at this point. So either he goes and we get a new coaching staff (aside from maybe Smith), or we go full on firesale with the players. It's FAR more likely that Peters is the one that goes at this point, and that he needs to be the one that goes.

 

[sheriff bart]

You know, up until about 2 weeks ago I was firmly in the "Peters deserves a shot with an improved roster" camp, and I'm still sure he's actually a pretty good coach. But that probably can't be here, seems like the team has tuned him out at this point. So either he goes and we get a new coaching staff (aside from maybe Smith), or we go full on firesale with the players. It's FAR more likely that Peters is the one that goes at this point, and that he needs to be the one that goes.

I don't know how you sell it to the fanbase if he comes back. Some of this is on him. I'm with you in that he may be a good coach for somebody, but it certainly doesn't look like it is going to be here. I also think we need to see about a third of the players traded. They aren't all bad, but the mix isn't right. Also, a couple of them have a stink on them that won't wash off with Kinetico water.

 

[geehaad]

Darling would have a GAA in the mid 5 range and a save percentage in the low 80s had he played like he is now in the mid 80s.

Darling would look like a HoF goaltender if placed in the 80s. It's no fault of the goaltenders of that era that the position was reinvented by Roy, but it makes the comparison to today's goaltenders stark.

 

[DaveG]

I don't know how you sell it to the fanbase if he comes back. Some of this is on him. I'm with you in that he may be a good coach for somebody, but it certainly doesn't look like it is going to be here. I also think we need to see about a third of the players traded. They aren't all bad, but the mix isn't right. Also, a couple of them have a stink on them that won't wash off with Raleigh water.

Not even 100% sure it's necessarily that they need to be traded, but in the cases of a few of the FAs (UFA and RFA) it's definitely a case that they likely shouldn't be re-signed. The two non-FAs that should probably be looked at as trade bait are Rask and Faulk, Darling as a buyout. Ward is the only UFA that should be brought back and that's only on a year to year basis at this point until we actually can establish someone that's better. Ryan, Nordstrom, Stempniak, PDG out. Get rid of Darling (buyout) and Rask (trade) as well and that's about 1/3 of the roster in and of itself that's gone. Fill 2 of the slots and the #13 forward from within (Foegele, Wallmark, Zykov), and bring in 2 better guys in UFA.

 

[sheriff bart]

Not even 100% sure it's necessarily that they need to be traded, but in the cases of a few of the FAs (UFA and RFA) it's definitely a case that they likely shouldn't be re-signed. The two non-FAs that should probably be looked at as trade bait are Rask and Faulk, Darling as a buyout. Ward is the only UFA that should be brought back and that's only on a year to year basis at this point until we actually can establish someone that's better. Ryan, Nordstrom, Stempniak, PDG out. Get rid of Darling (buyout) and Rask (trade) as well and that's about 1/3 of the roster in and of itself that's gone. Fill 2 of the slots and the #13 forward from within (Foegele, Wallmark, Zykov), and bring in 2 better guys in UFA.

I guess I meant moved on from rather than all traded, but yeah

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Put Darling in the small equipment of the 80’s and see what happens.

 

[MinJaBen]

The two non-FAs that should probably be looked at as trade bait are Rask and Faulk...

Frankly, I'd throw Skinner in there as well. He is coming into his contract year and his performance is so erratic that it is hard to know what to do. Given how far off his performance was this year vs. last year, and the left wings available on the open market (Kane, JVR, etc.), I'd seriously look at what our options would be for trading him.

 

[Ole Gil]

He was iffy even early in the season. Obviously not on a 5-7 goal level, but he was allowing goals he shouldn't be on a consistent basis. Think he only won 8 of his first 20 something games.

I was only 60% serious at the time, but I mentioned back in November saying it was probably time for Ward to be #1 again. It was just really clear really early on that Scott was a disaster. It was just so absurdly bad, that it seemed like it had to be a fluke. But fluke it was not.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I'd definitely be looking for takers for Skinner. He'll definitely be a good goalscorer wherever he ends up, but I think any passion he's had playing for this organization is gone.

 

[Breakdowns]

In the past 10 seasons, here are the worst save % of goalies that played 35+ games in a season (according to NHL.com).

Darling (17/18): .885
Osgood (08/09): .886
Roloson (11/12): .886
Holmqvist( 07/08): .889
Scrivens (14/15): .890
Khabiboulin (10/11): .890
Toskola (08/09): .891

Guys, we won something!!!

 

[rambo97]

Hey Canes fans I've read the threads on Justin Faulk on the mains (and I understand he's struggled this year) but my question to you is what happened to this guy?

He looked awful last night. Is his defense usually that bad? Is he still a good PP QB? Just trying to get an idea of what type of player he has become. I remember a few years ago (especially the year he was paired with Sekera) he was looking like he was going to become a #1 dman. So just trying to get a gauge/udnerstanding of what's happened to his game.

 

[JCLA]

We don't know either.

In all seriousness, he's just had a lot of bad turnovers. He doesn't seem to have any drive in him, but neither has the rest of the team for awhile now. His lack of goals this year has also brought his defense into more of a spotlight

Playing with Klas Dahlbeck doesn't help either.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

the whole team outside of aho, terevainen, and staal has been pretty horrible all year. they all just look worse right now because they've all given up for over a month now. also everyone looks even worse with darling behind them.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Really. Wouldn’t be the first player to leave the Canes organization and find success elsewhere after a terrible season here. Hell, wouldn’t even be the first goalie to do so.

I don’t know exactly what’s wrong with Darling. As Kev pointed out earlier, he’s so far out of position on so many goals against now, I can’t imagine this being the norm for him in his playing career. He never would have sniffed the NHL with some the save attempts he’s made of late. Even being a little hectic in net in Chicago never produced what we’re seeing on a nightly basis here.

Which tells me it’s either a change that he’s made because the organization asked him to, or it’s a change he’s made because his confidence is so shot that he’s trying anything. Either way, getting away from the organization, finding his game again and getting another tryout elsewhere wouldn’t be too surprising.

What’s wrong with him is he’s fundamentally awful as a goaltender. Just like Michael Leighton, who we saw as an .850 goalie here due to his horrible fundamentals (puck comes close? Drop to the ice and spread your legs!) but managed to convince a few people that he was an NHL goalie while playing in front of a defensively stacked team that could shelter the living hell out of him. Likewise, Darling looked like a viable option while playing briefly in front of a Cup-winning roster.

But why would anyone want Darling anywhere near their net after this, knowing how he responds to anything less than HOF-level defenders in front of him? Knowing that he’s now melted down mentally in two different organizations?

I’d be beyond surprised, I’d be absolutely floored to see him go on to success after this. It’s not just a guy who’s getting a little down on himself, he’s a self evidently bad goalie option in the same way that Derek Ryan is a self evidently awful center option when Skinner isn’t pumping his stats.

 

[Tryamw]

So spectrum saved me from this travesty and I went out to dinner (late instead) Spectrum decided I didn't need their service from about 3:45 til after 9:30
Caught a few of the calls by Chuck K but wow looks like we didn't play well and Scott Darling did his best timid flailing mouse impersonation.

 

[StormCast]

In the past 10 seasons, here are the worst save % of goalies that played 35+ games in a season (according to NHL.com).

Darling (17/18): .885
Osgood (08/09): .886
Roloson (11/12): .886
Holmqvist( 07/08): .889
Scrivens (14/15): .890
Khabiboulin (10/11): .890
Toskola (08/09): .891

And of course there is a "5" in his save percentage. Hockey gods have a sense of humor.

On the flip side Five Hole Sports just signed him up to be their new mascot, saying he "embodies everything about Five Hole."

 

[sheriff bart]

So spectrum saved me from this travesty and I went out to dinner (late instead) Spectrum decided I didn't need their service from about 3:45 til after 9:30
Caught a few of the calls by Chuck K but wow looks like we didn't play well and Scott Darling did his best timid flailing mouse impersonation.

You should put a little something extra in the envelope for Spectrum this month

 

[sheriff bart]

There is no GM in the league going to take a shot at Darling now. Even at 50% retained, he isn't worth it to anyone else. The new GM's first piece of business is going to be buying him out. Expensive, but necessary. Hoping he can "get right" over the summer is not the answer.

 

[StormCast]

There is no GM in the league going to take a shot at Darling now. Even at 50% retained, he isn't worth it to anyone else. The new GM's first piece of business is going to be buying him out. Expensive, but necessary. Hoping he can "get right" over the summer is not the answer.

A few MLB GM's thought Steve Sax would "get right" over the winter.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

A few MLB GM's thought Steve Sax would "get right" over the winter.

That was one of the weirdest things I had ever seen. An MLB 2nd baseman not being able to make a throw to 1st base. I get there's a mental aspect, but you would think after 20 years of making that through, the body would almost do it automatically.

 

[StormCast]

That was one of the weirdest things I had ever seen. An MLB 2nd baseman not being able to make a throw to 1st base. I get there's a mental aspect, but you would think after 20 years of making that through, the body would almost do it automatically.

Sure was and then Knoblauch got it too.

In Darling's case, he should be checked for allergies. Could be allergic to galvanized rubber.

 

[DaveG]

Sure was and then Knoblauch got it too.

In Darling's case, he should be checked for allergies. Could be allergic to galvanized rubber.

You know that's not a bad plan, do the whole Marian Hossa LTIR thing going that route.

 

[Stickpucker]

I don't remember the exact game....was it CBJ or TOR where Darling gave up 4 goals on 3 shots and we were outshooting the opposition 15 to 3 and Bill didn't pull Darling.....that's where I think people started tuning out Bill and Darling wasn't going to recover.

Maybe it was December ish?

 

[DaveG]

I don't remember the exact game....was it CBJ or TOR where Darling gave up 4 goals on 3 shots and we were outshooting the opposition 15 to 3 and Bill didn't pull Darling.....that's where I think people started tuning out Bill and Darling wasn't going to recover.

Maybe it was December ish?

Toronto. It was that early afternoon shitshow game.

He did the same thing in that NYR game where he let in that floater from mid-ice.

 

[StormCast]

I don't remember the exact game....was it CBJ or TOR where Darling gave up 4 goals on 3 shots and we were outshooting the opposition 15 to 3 and Bill didn't pull Darling.....that's where I think people started tuning out Bill and Darling wasn't going to recover.

Maybe it was December ish?

Four goals on three shots is so Darling-esque.