Zadorov Vs. Nurse
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cgf
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*I'd vote for Peacock against anyone though (see avi)
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He's just playing great. Like he's been better than EJ for the past month (and this has been one of EJ's best seasons), playing great. His advanced stats shine on this team despite playing really tough minutes against the best the opposition has to throw at us. He's a monster in his own zone, who made the crispest breakout passes on the team until Girard showed up. With him recently regaining his offensive swagger and learning to hit the net this season, Zadorov's arrival has been the second great revelation of this Avs season after the MacKinnon-explosion.
Kento's post on this seems relevant here:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/nikita-zadorovs-shutdown-ability.2430317/
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He's just playing great. Like he's been better than EJ for the past month (and this has been one of EJ's best seasons), playing great. His advanced stats shine on this team despite playing really tough minutes against the best the opposition has to throw at us. He's a monster in his own zone, who made the crispest breakout passes on the team until Girard showed up. With him recently regaining his offensive swagger and learning to hit the net this season, Zadorov's arrival has been the second great revelation of this Avs season after the MacKinnon-explosion.
Kento's post on this seems relevant here:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/nikita-zadorovs-shutdown-ability.2430317/
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The step that Nurse has taken this season absolutely not be overstated. Nurse is the real deal and he's finding his offense - 16 points in 45 games with zero powerplay time. He's a rock and looks like he could be a rock solid #2 someday.
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Nurse has looked really good every time I've watched the Oilers, but Z for the last stretch has picked up right off where he ended last season. He had a rough start to the year - likely IMO due due his contract dispute and missing all of training camp - but if the Z that ended last year and has been appearing for the last little while is a sign of things to come it's tough not to be excited about him too. Didn't vote for either since I would like a "tied" option. One might easily end up better than the other, but I think they are pretty close right now. The raw tools they each possess makes it sort of difficult to predict who will end up better, IMO, since they each feasibly have so much potential.
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replace nurse with zadorov and this is very much just as true with a tweak on points and games played
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a mangy Meowth
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Would you care to elaborate? I haven't gotten to see enough of Nurse myself to know
McDavidCrushedLarkin
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Get back to me when Nurse posts a +16 shot differential against Crosby and Malkin. Nurse easily my ass.
Whoa, what you and nurse did in private should remain private. As for the poll, I voted Darnell but it’s really close right now.
walktheboulavard
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Another 2 point night with another gwg this time in OT. That's 4 goals in the last 4 games for Nurse. Guy is a possession monster, a speed deamon on skates with all the prerequisite skills to become a number 1D now that his offense is starting to emerge. I'll go with Nurse on this poll, although Z is a sold dman himself.
cgf
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Zads picked up another 2 points to bring him up to 8 in his last 11 games. With how dominant he is in his own zone, they're really letting the Peacock fly this season.
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Cousin Eddie
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Everything being said about Zadorov in this thread can be said about Nurse. Everything said about Nurse can be said about Zadorov. Similar players. Nearly indentical production this season. Two mean giants. Both have great shutdown abilities. Neither play PP. both PK. Same age. Nurse has better CF% stats but Zadorov starts more in the dzone. Relative corsi stats are basically equal.
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tony d
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well obviously based on this it is zadorov AINEC. thanks for the break down
VoluntaryDom
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Agreed. It's a shame that the Nurse vs Gardiner poll has 4 times the comments as this does because this poll is much more interesting since it's relevant, realistic, and comparably equal.
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Great poll, two emerging young D with similar skill sets.
Deadlocked at 36-36 for votes, good job OP.
Deadlocked at 36-36 for votes, good job OP.
McFlyingV
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So you want to use a 2 game sample size to discuss shot differential when Nurse has a +88 shot differential at even strength compared to a -6 shot differential for Zadorov this year? Advanced stats are not something that you should be bringing up if you're trying to make a solid argument for Zadorov in this discussion.
With that said, this is close, but I'd give Nurse the edge because he's just straight up putting up better possession metrics while playing more minutes and is +13 on a -20+ team. Both are great young D, but Nurse is a bit better imo.
Cousin Eddie
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Advanced stats are definitely something that should be brought up to to pump Zadorov. He's the best possession defenseman on the Avalanche. His CF relative to his team is on par with Nurse. He's also at a 37% zone stat percentage compared to Nurses 51%.
Zadorov had a rough injury last year which he dealt the offseason rehabbing from. Then he didn't have a contract and showed up to camp late. He wasn't ready to play and was kept out of the lineup a fair bit throughout the first few weeks of the season. Since being incorporated back into the lineup full time (26 games ago) he's at a CF of 52.57, and a high danger CF of 56.91%.
Nurse's advanced stats are nice, but factoring in zone starts and team relative stats it pretty much balances out with Zadorov. Especially if you want to look at Zadorov since he started playing full time but that's not completely fair since even though we're aware of the injury and all, he still played and you need to prove yourself over a sample size. Still definitely notworthy though.
One place where Nurse does one up Zadorov is individual shot attempts. While Zadorov is very good in this area, Nurse is simply better. He's producing shots at a very very high level.
Aside from that, seeing anybody in this thread trying to straight up call one better than the other is almost certainly a fan showing some homerism. I made a post earlier saying how similar these two are in so many ways and this post adds to it. I voted Zadorov because I'm and Avalanche fan and I want him to win the poll, but that's it. If there was an "even" option I would have chosen that but since there isn't I'm voting for my guy.
cgf
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I don't think people realize how good Zads has been since settling back in. There is no hyperbole when I say that he has been outplaying EJ for about a month now; and this is one of EJ's best seasons.
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