Confirmed with Link: Zach Sill re-signs with Pittsburgh (1 Year/$550k/ 2-Way Deal)

[Michael8771*]

Communication is very important in hockey. One of the most underrated parts to hockey. So many people don't realize how much talking is part of the game.



Communication, and yes it comes with chirping, is a huge part of the game. You should ALWAYS be saying stuff on the bench. Goalies should be speaking to their d-men about where the outlets are. Players from the bench should be screaming if we are out of position, have a guy open, or need to make a quick outlet.

As my coach used to put it - why go out on the ice w/ only two eyes? You can have your entire team helping. And if it's chirping - **** it.. it's part of the game. It happens and happens every game. Get over it.

But honestly - communication is so vital to hockey. You need to realize that.

You're missing the point altogether. Where did I say communication isn't important? And I have plenty of knowledge of how the game is played. There's a decided difference to looking out for your team mates then just acting like a loud mouth buffoon and spewing out nonsense. What my contention is stems from him being a borderline NHL guy. He has to earn his place on the team. There's always gonna be chatter on and from the bench, but it doesn't have to be left up to a guy like Sill. I'm sure guys like Sid and Geno can manage without his insight.

If you actually played organized hockey at or near a high level you'd know first and foremost you look out for your line mates. When you come to the bench you discuss your next shift and if you have to make an adjustment or not. In the process you continue to watch the play, and if you see that one of your team mates is about to get lined up you most certainly shout out to them. Sometimes the coach whispers in your ear to do this or that differently. So yeah, I know about communication, trust the captain.

 

[billybudd]

Michael, what you're saying doesn't make sense to me. What does Malkin care if Sill's tenured enough to chirp Phaneuf? That Sill's not of the same status is almost the entire reason that can be effective.

It's never Getzlaf or McDonagh that's getting the other team's best players off their game. It's always some bum like Avery or Dominic Moore. They're beneath the players they aggravate and everyone knows it, but they do it anyway. This is what makes them aggravating.

Geno's not going to be thinking from Phaneuf's perspective. For him or Sid, anything that gets the other team off their game is a positive, whether you think it's sportsmanlike or not.

 

[Michael8771*]

Michael, what you're saying doesn't make sense to me. What does Malkin care if Sill's tenured enough to chirp Phaneuf? That Sill's not of the same status is almost the entire reason that can be effective.

It's never Getzlaf or McDonagh that's getting the other team's best players off their game. It's always some bum like Avery or Dominic Moore. They're beneath the players they aggravate and everyone knows it, but they do it anyway. This is what makes them aggravating.

Geno's not going to be thinking from Phaneuf's perspective. For him or Sid, anything that gets the other team off their game is a positive, whether you think it's sportsmanlike or not.

Do you really think a no name jabroni who has accomplished nothing at that level of play will have a big impact in that regard ? When I played in college such imbeciles would motivate me more. And in general would bring out the best in me. There was one particular game where this nutjob was heckling and insulting our best player and captain (most of the game). Our captain went out and scored two goals early in the third and set up two others. We won 6-1. After it was 5-1 midway through the third the nutjob along with his team shut up. And our captain just smiled and pointed to the scoreboard. Didn't have to say a word.

If Phaneuf gets off his game because of Sill, well then he's a pretty weak minded individual.

When the wings won the cup and were the toast of the league I remember both Orpik and Crosby saying that the wings didn't engage in such nonsense. When the pens tried to get under their skin the wings just ignored them. (That was 2008). Again, communicating with your team mates and helping them out is fine, and that part isn't what in particular I'm referring to. But that extra BS doesn't necessarily help your cause. And when you lose you look even more foolish.

 

[billybudd]

Do you really think a no name jabroni who has accomplished nothing at that level of play will have a big impact in that regard ?...

If Phaneuf gets off his game because of Sill, well then he's a pretty weak minded individual.

Yep and yep.

When the wings won the cup and were the toast of the league I remember both Orpik and Crosby saying that the wings didn't engage in such nonsense. When the pens tried to get under their skin the wings just ignored them. (That was 2008). Again, communicating with your team mates and helping them out is fine, and that part isn't what in particular I'm referring to. But that extra BS doesn't necessarily help your cause. And when you lose you look even more foolish.

Draper and Osgood were both notorious loudmouths. The Red Wings have never not had one or two guys like that at all times. Remember, Ken Holland's the guy that drafted Avery.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Do you really think a no name jabroni who has accomplished nothing at that level of play will have a big impact in that regard ? When I played in college such imbeciles would motivate me more. And in general would bring out the best in me. There was one particular game where this nutjob was heckling and insulting our best player and captain (most of the game). Our captain went out and scored two goals early in the third and set up two others. We won 6-1. After it was 5-1 midway through the third the nutjob along with his team shut up. And our captain just smiled and pointed to the scoreboard. Didn't have to say a word.

If Phaneuf gets off his game because of Sill, well then he's a pretty weak minded individual.

When the wings won the cup and were the toast of the league I remember both Orpik and Crosby saying that the wings didn't engage in such nonsense. When the pens tried to get under their skin the wings just ignored them. (That was 2008). Again, communicating with your team mates and helping them out is fine, and that part isn't what in particular I'm referring to. But that extra BS doesn't necessarily help your cause. And when you lose you look even more foolish.

What about when Sill goes out and actually hits these guys? He's a good enough skater and hitter to actually impact plays and back up his trash talk a bit.

 

[Michael8771*]

Yep and yep.

Draper and Osgood were both notorious loudmouths. The Red Wings have never not had one or two guys like that at all times. Remember, Ken Holland's the guy that drafted Avery.

And for every Avery he drafted there's the Datsyuk's and Zetterbergs and Holmstroms. What you're showing there is an isolated occurrence, big deal. Have any more video like that? Also, Ruutu was an established player at the time, Sill not so much.

What about when Sill goes out and actually hits these guys? He's a good enough skater and hitter to actually impact plays and back up his trash talk a bit.

Sill contributing ON the ice and hitting people is great! I have no issue with that whatsoever. An to this point he really hasn't backed it up. He's barely played in the league.

 

[Shady Machine]

And for every Avery he drafted there's the Datsyuk's and Zetterbergs and Holmstroms. What you're showing there is an isolated occurrence, big deal. Have any more video like that? Also, Ruutu was an established player at the time, Sill not so much.

Sill contributing ON the ice and hitting people is great! I have no issue with that whatsoever. An to this point he really hasn't backed it up. He's barely played in the league.

So when Sill plays a full season in the NHL he can start chirping? I'm trying to keep up with your point.

 

[Michael8771*]

Yep and yep.






Draper and Osgood were both notorious loudmouths. The Red Wings have never not had one or two guys like that at all times. Remember, Ken Holland's the guy that drafted Avery.

Draper and Osgood were key contributors in their teams success. They were respected and established players. Besides I don't think they are as bad as you claim. Again Orpik and Crosby said the wings didn't talk, they just played. I'll take their word for it.

Even if they were loudmouths they had the respect of their team and a track record of success.

 

[billybudd]

And for every Avery he drafted there's the Datsyuk's and Zetterbergs and Holmstroms.

So what? While I'm sure every team would love to be so deep that they can populate their fourth line entirely with players of Zetterberg's caliber, no team is or ever will be. You need to populate those roster spots with guys that contribute in other ways.

Furthermore, Zetterberg is a notorious pest with an underdeveloped sense of sportsmanship.

What you're showing there is an isolated occurrence, big deal. Have any more video like that?

Are you really daring me to find more footage of people getting under Phaneuf's skin? It happens all the time. He's got a well-earned reputation as a complete bonehead.

Also, Ruutu was an established player at the time, Sill not so much.

I don't understand why you have a preoccupation with tenure, but that incident occurred in the first season in which Jarkko Ruutu was a regular player and not a frequent healthy scratch.

 

[Michael8771*]

So when Sill plays a full season in the NHL he can start chirping? I'm trying to keep up with your point.

My point is quite simple. He hasn't earned the respect of the league let alone his team mates. Actions speak louder than words. You don't have to act like a hotheaded buffoon to help your team.

 

[Michael8771*]

So what? While I'm sure every team would love to be so deep that they can populate their fourth line entirely with players of Zetterberg's caliber, no team is or ever will be. You need to populate those roster spots with guys that contribute in other ways.

Furthermore, Zetterberg is a notorious pest with an underdeveloped sense of sportsmanship.

You're gonna compare Zetterberg to a loser like Sill? We're done here.

 

[billybudd]

Draper and Osgood were key contributors in their teams success. They were respected and established players. Besides I don't think they are as bad as you claim. Again Orpik and Crosby said the wings didn't talk, they just played. I'll take their word for it.

Even if they were loudmouths they had the respect of their team and a track record of success.

Yeah you've lost me. The Wings can chirp because the media paints the narrative that they've got respect for the game.

Funny thing to say about a franchise that's employed blights on the sport like Bertuzzi and flying elbow specialists like Kronwall for the last half-decade.

 

[billybudd]

You're gonna compare Zetterberg to a loser like Sill? We're done here.

Looks like you've lost yourself, too. You're the one that brought Zetterberg up as an alternative to Sills and Averys.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I don't want guys to do anything different based on respect of other people. If chirping is something a player does, then they should chirp the first game they ever play in the NHL. Hertl got crap for not earning enough respect before showing off a bit, and I thought it was garbage. Respect is overrated. I hope Sill finds the guy he respects most in the league who doesn't even know who Sill is and punches him square in the nose and chirps about it after.

 

[Michael8771*]

Looks like you've lost yourself, too. You're the one that brought Zetterberg up as an alternative to Sills and Averys.

Yes I did because they are very different players, you're suggesting they are similar, which is rather ridiculous.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Yes I did because they are very different players, you're suggesting they are similar, which is rather ridiculous.

their right to chirp is exactly the same. Their right to do whatever they want is exactly the same.

 

[billybudd]

Yes I did because they are very different players, you're suggesting they are similar, which is rather ridiculous.

I didn't say they were similar. Your the one who's suggesting Zetterberg is preferable to Sill. That's true, but it's also completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with one player showing 'more respect.' How is skating around slashing the crap out of someone away from the play more respectful than chirping them?

 

[Michael8771*]

their right to chirp is exactly the same. Their right to do whatever they want is exactly the same.

Not really, if you think SILL saying something has the same exact impact as a Zetterberg or a Crosby, then I suggest you don't understand my point at all.

 

[Zen Arcade]

I didn't say they were similar. Your the one who's suggesting Zetterberg is preferable to Sill. That's true, but it's also completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with one player showing 'more respect.' How is skating around slashing the crap out of someone away from the play more respectful than chirping them?

Cup checking someone during a face off is the pinnacle of respect.

 

[Michael8771*]

I didn't say they were similar. Your the one who's suggesting Zetterberg is preferable to Sill. That's true, but it's also completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with one player showing 'more respect.' How is skating around slashing the crap out of someone away from the play more respectful than chirping them?

Because it's done within the confines of the game on the ice. And if you're helping the team by hounding Toews and keeping him from scoring that's what you do. Again talk is cheap. It's amazing you don't see the difference. If Sill wants to put someone through the boards, great! That'll help your team on the ice. I have no qualms with that at all. But if you're a nobody in the league and you run your mouth you'll be looked at as a joke and if anything hurt your teams cause, not help it.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Not really, if you think SILL saying something has the same exact impact as a Zetterberg or a Crosby, then I suggest you don't understand my point at all.

I really don't give a **** if it has the same impact. I just don't see how you think he can possibly hurt the team by doing it.

 

[Michael8771*]

I really don't give a **** if it has the same impact. I just don't see how you think he can possibly hurt the team by doing it.

I've stated my point over and over again. I also gave examples as to how such nonsense can backfire.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I've stated my point over and over again. I also gave examples as to how such nonsense can backfire.

You've said you don't like it. When did you ever say how it can hurt the team? Unless you're counting how that apparently made you a better player. I'm not worried about that happening in the NHL.

 

[Zen Arcade]

Man, if Sill is getting this sort of reaction, I can only imagine what would happen if Farnham came up.

He makes Sill look like Datsyuk in terms of chirping and antics.

 

[Shady Machine]

My point is quite simple. He hasn't earned the respect of the league let alone his team mates. Actions speak louder than words. You don't have to act like a hotheaded buffoon to help your team.

Right and he got under Phaneuf's skin enough that several Leafs tried to come after him and he dropped the gloves. He didn't just talk the talk, but was willing to throw down when needed. Sill is not a skilled player and likely a fringe player, but he is going to make an impact in every game he is in. I think he did that last year and I look forward to him doing that this season.