Young Stars Tournament 2016

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

This was a great Penticton Firing Squad Tournament

Well there's always next year, and Lodge should be even better by then!

 

[Atoyot]

Connor finishes with 10 SOG.

 

[JetsUK]

Have we ever gone 0-fer before? That last period was tough to watch.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Glad that's over.

The #1 pool of forward prospects in the NHL managed 4 goals in 4 games.

 

[Atoyot]

Glad that's over.

The #1 pool of forward prospects in the NHL managed 4 goals in 4 games.

*3 games

 

[koth]

Yeah, it's disappointing none of our guys lit it up. I know this these games don't mean anything, but it's still disappointing.

 

[garret9]

Averages and tendencies can be rather uninformative. Understanding the exceptions and why they happen are something that advanced stats should help elucidate. Saying that very good players tend to succeed at an early age doesn't seem to take us very far. Figuring out which are more likely to be late bloomers strikes me as an interesting question.

it takes us about as far as an average NHL scouting department.

Outlier research is important but I don't trust anyone's ability with project players due to how bad everyone does with them.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

*3 games

Right. Oops. That's much better.

 

[Grind]

it takes us about as far as an average NHL scouting department.

Outlier research is important but I don't trust anyone's ability with project players due to how bad everyone does with them.

Exactly. Let's wait untill NHL teams are besting simple equations in regards to the non outliers before we break ourselves finding the needles in the haystacks.

 

[mcpw]

Brian Strait, Julian Melchiori, Jan Kostalek, Nelson Nogier, Logan Stanley.

 

[Whileee]

it takes us about as far as an average NHL scouting department.

Outlier research is important but I don't trust anyone's ability with project players due to how bad everyone does with them.

There's your challenge. Everybody is going to figure out the averages pretty quickly. That's going to be passé pretty soon. The next tier is going to be analytics that figure out how to be ahead of the curve, si to speak.

 

[Rheged]

It's kinda funny actually.. It's not like the Canucks ever had great defense prospects but I don't remember the Moose D group ever being awful, and the old Moose were always playoff teams..

I wonder why they seem to be so woeful at accumulating quality defense this time around.

 

[Whileee]

Exactly. Let's wait untill NHL teams are besting simple equations in regards to the non outliers before we break ourselves finding the needles in the haystacks.

Outliers aren't needles in haystacks, though. They are probably the result of some systematic variables that most analysts ignore to hammer at the averages.

I actually think that teams are going to transition to basic analytics faster than many might think. If we are still talking about the same stats that seem advanced now in five years, I'll be a bit surprised and disappointed.

 

[mcpw]

It's kinda funny actually.. It's not like the Canucks ever had great defense prospects but I don't remember the Moose D group ever being awful, and the old Moose were always playoff teams..

I wonder why they seem to be so woeful at accumulating quality defense this time around.

Gonna guess the old version of the Moose didn't insist on playing former draft picks just to... dunno, save face?

 

[Whileee]

it takes us about as far as an average NHL scouting department.

Outlier research is important but I don't trust anyone's ability with project players due to how bad everyone does with them.

Once everyone figures out the averages the relative advantage is lost and we're basically back to square one.

 

[Whileee]

It's kinda funny actually.. It's not like the Canucks ever had great defense prospects but I don't remember the Moose D group ever being awful, and the old Moose were always playoff teams..

I wonder why they seem to be so woeful at accumulating quality defense this time around.

Age and experience is important on D. I think that with the Moose being almost entirely a development team, we are destined to see younger draft picks playing, even if they are crappy. I think it's a stupid idea, because playing with really bad players is probably not a good development environment. Chevy and Zinger are going to need to weed out the dead wood and bring in some effective players to support the real prospects.

 

[Aavco Cup]

 

[mcpw]

Age and experience is important on D. I think that with the Moose being almost entirely a development team, we are destined to see younger draft picks playing, even if they are crappy. I think it's a stupid idea, because playing with really bad players is probably not a good development environment. Chevy and Zinger are going to need to weed out the dead wood and bring in some effective players to support the real prospects.

They can't even identify effective support players.

 

[Weezeric]

They can't even identify effective support players.

Are we judging on the last poor season or the season they went to the Calder cup finals? Same management group.

 

[garret9]

There's your challenge. Everybody is going to figure out the averages pretty quickly. That's going to be passé pretty soon. The next tier is going to be analytics that figure out how to be ahead of the curve, si to speak.

Oh, I definitely been working on it. There's no doubt on that.

 

[CaptainChef]

It's kinda funny actually.. It's not like the Canucks ever had great defense prospects but I don't remember the Moose D group ever being awful, and the old Moose were always playoff teams..

I wonder why they seem to be so woeful at accumulating quality defense this time around.

We might be good at drafting quality forwards, but you really have to think there is nobody in our scouting system that has a handle on scouting D-men. Other than Trouba & Morrissey (both first rounders) we've got zip & it looks like our prospects are slim.

The mere efforts that went on to acquire Stanley speaks volumes IMO. There were plenty of quality D-men that were still available at that point & with a high second-rounder. Instead... well we'll see but doesn't look good.

 

[MardyBum]

Eh, didn't watch the last game.

Was leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Hopefully this isn't a glimpse of Vincent as the Moose coach lol.

 

[garret9]

Outliers aren't needles in haystacks, though. They are probably the result of some systematic variables that most analysts ignore to hammer at the averages.

I actually think that teams are going to transition to basic analytics faster than many might think. If we are still talking about the same stats that seem advanced now in five years, I'll be a bit surprised and disappointed.

Sometimes they can be.

 

[Whileee]

Sometimes they can be.

Fair enough. First challenge is usually to figure out which is which.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Let's get back on topic, or this thread will get closed.