"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain": Leo Komarov

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His usage is certainly difficult, but his numbers are also down compared to previous seasons.

Leo is a good two way player and I consider him a 5-10 goal guy, he has a PDO of 102, Kadri possession numbers has dropped below 50 (47) first time in 3-4 years. that may have affected Leo someway?
 

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As its been mentioned already, he started his career quite late, so we've already seen his prime come and go. He should really be a fixture on the 4th line at this point, with PK minutes. Fortunately his PK abilities haven't diminished as much as his offensive instincts, so he still has some use.
 

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Been our worst forward. Even worse than Martin and Moore

Well Moore is actually not bad for what is expected of him, he can actually control the puck and make plays. Komarov has no place on this team though IMO.
 

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His job is not to bring offence. He is an elite match up winger and first option on a good PK. He is a great fore checker and brings a pest mentality that you don't see in many other Leafs. His job is support the people who drive the team. just because he is not laying down Double Dion's every night does not mean he is not effective. Watch how many times he wins 50/50 battles. He has a thankless role and some fans are clearly clueless to the value he brings.

He really has not been good at all this season. Easily our worst forward.
 

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Leo seems to be becoming a villain because (some) people blame him for Kadri's scoring slump.

Which of course makes complete and total sense.
 

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Well Moore is actually not bad for what is expected of him, he can actually control the puck and make plays. Komarov has no place on this team though IMO.
Yea Moore has impressed me every time I watch him. He can enter the zone with the puck and is quite fast. I feel making him play a dump and chase grind it out style doesn't suit Moore and it brings him down.
 

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Yea Moore has impressed me every time I watch him. He can enter the zone with the puck and is quite fast. I feel making him play a dump and chase grind it out style doesn't suit Moore and it brings him down.

I feel like that style of play doesn’t suit our entire team beside Hyman and yet our whole team including Matthews is forced to play it
 

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Komarov is at this moment one of our least productive players, despite getting lots of minutes. He is one of our worst players at getting the puck out of the zone with control, or at all. He is one of our least effective players at getting the puck in the opposition zone, though he is good at retrieving it on dump-ins. He is one of our least involved players in any kind of offense. He is getting consistent ice time at PP despite having nothing to show for it. He is the worst on the team in terms of puck possession, with any kind of adjustment. He does play against tough opposition consistently, but is among the worst performers in the league among those who play that kind of minutes. He's a defensive specialist, but defensive metrics are in shambles. Now this is largely line-driven when a unit has stayed together as much as they have, but Marleau and Kadri (in particular) provides value otherwise. Komarov has nothing else to lean back on when it comes to even strength.

He does play well on the PK. But any kind of rational evaluation of his abilities right now pegs him as a PK specialist. That's not someone you want to rely on to play top line minutes. That's someone you want to hide on the fourth line.

This has nothing to do with Kadri, or scapegoating in general. It's just an honest evaluation of where Komarov's game is at right now. He's been one of my favorite players over his years here. That's irrelevant to the topic. I want us to adapt to his natural decline so that he can play out his last year with dignity, instead of being thrown out to fail.
 

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I love Komarov, I don't think he's done yet, and I'd love to see them resign him and have him stick around as the quality depth player he is.

But yeah he's played poorly this year and the amount of usage he's getting is nonsensical at this point. He could play higher in the lineup during his best years, but it seems that time has passed.
 

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If they need Leo for a playoff run why are they giving him lots of minutes now when he's playing like garbage?

I love Komarov but quite frankly if the team “needs” Leo for the playoffs then this team “needs” to re-evaluate their strategy.
 
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Yea Moore has impressed me every time I watch him. He can enter the zone with the puck and is quite fast. I feel making him play a dump and chase grind it out style doesn't suit Moore and it brings him down.
It is an expectation of 4th lines league wide to play the dump and chase game and Moore is not skilled enough to play higher up in our line up. Remember it is not about what is best for a certain player but what is best for the team.
 

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As far as Leo goes, he is more then useful still and still plays hard. He hits a lot blocks shots and draws penalties as he is a pain in the rear end to play against.

I feel that people look at goals and assists and let that determine a players usefulness when hockey is about a lot more then points.
 

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As far as Leo goes, he is more then useful still and still plays hard. He hits a lot blocks shots and draws penalties as he is a pain in the rear end to play against.

I feel that people look at goals and assists and let that determine a players usefulness when hockey is about a lot more then points.
Komarov takes as many penalties as he draws, so that evens out. There's really nothing statistically that supports that he is still a useful player, unless that term can encompass guys that should get limited fourth line minutes and PK time.

I also wouldn't really disparage people as only looking at goals and assist when you support your own opinion with really nothing more than hits and blocks.
 
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Hes hitting, hes not driving other players crazy. Thats the problem. This is a guy that used to be an ovechkin target. Now he just stinks and no one views him as a threat
 

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Leo played 11:51 5-vs-5 minutes last night.

zone starts from last nights game below
PlayerZSOZSDoZS%
Morgan Rielly11664.7
Tyler Bozak8372.7
Nazem Kadri8561.5
Mitch Marner8372.7
Jake Gardiner7370.0
Ron Hainsey71041.2
James van Riemsdyk7370.0
Patrick Marleau6460.0
William Nylander6554.5
Connor Brown5455.6
Zach Hyman5741.7
Nikita Zaitsev5645.5
Andreas Borgman4266.7
Kasperi Kapanen40100.0
Leo Komarov3827.3
Matt Martin30100.0
Dominic Moore3175.0
Roman Polak3537.5
TOTAL56.9
[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Its hard to have a good possession stat when you're being deployed in the d'zone often.
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Komarov takes as many penalties as he draws, so that evens out. There's really nothing statistically that supports that he is still a useful player, unless that term can encompass guys that should get limited fourth line minutes and PK time.

I also wouldn't really disparage people as only looking at goals and assist when you support your own opinion with really nothing more than hits and blocks.
it is a fact that people look at goal and assists to determine players worth.. all anyone has to do is read Hyman, Marner and Nylanders threads to determine that I am correct.

He draws more penalties then he takes I believe and he hits a lot still sets the table on his line. He seldom gives the puck away and plays a safe game. He is still very useful on the ice. How do you evaluate a players worth when you take away goals and assists... i say watch the game and understand the game within the game as well as what happens when the player is in trusted to do something like take a hit to make a play, or to do the grunt work in the trenches that allows us zone time in the opponents end. Sorry I find this thread is custom made for people who watch a game with out understand just what the team is attempting to do when different players are on the ice.
 

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What is this supposed to address?

it is a fact that people look at goal and assists to determine players worth.. all anyone has to do is read Hyman, Marner and Nylanders threads to determine that I am correct.
Perhaps. Point was that if looking at goals and assists to determine worth is bad, looking at hits and blocks is worse.

He draws more penalties then he takes I believe
No. Dead even.

He seldom gives the puck away and plays a safe game.
Sure, it is safe. It's also not very effective.

i say watch the game and understand the game within the game as well as what happens when the player is in trusted to do something like take a hit to make a play, or to do the grunt work in the trenches that allows us zone time in the opponents end. Sorry I find this thread is custom made for people who watch a game with out understand just what the team is attempting to do when different players are on the ice.
And I see an arrogant retort that disparages others but only offers cliches without any context. So he takes a hit to make a play, great. It doesn't help him make good plays. You talk about grunt work to allow us zone time. Fine, but he doesn't help us get the puck in effectively and we have precious little zone time with him on the ice. Look up a few posts and you'll see that I outlined all the areas where he is statistically among our worst players. Yet he is played as if he is among our best players.
 
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