Would you let Bozak and JVR walk?

[Menzinger]

That is a joke. 4 years or so will be many teams offers. He may get 5 years but highly doubt he gets more then 5.5 for 4 years.

Why people think he can get more then a 5 year deal at 6 m per is funny.

His goal scoring will get him paid (ie 6-6.5). There’s always a Gm willing to pay, right or wrong.

 

[Kiwi]

In today’s world...I doubt he gets 6 years and if he does it is for around 5m per.

GM'S pay for goals and JvR is good for 30 a year

There's going to be a bidding war for his services and 6×6 would be the low end of his next contract

I wouldn't give it to him but if GM'S have proven one thing over the years it's that there willing to throw money at guys in the now even if the deal will probably turn toxic later

 

[Gary Nylund]

That is a joke. 4 years or so will be many teams offers. He may get 5 years but highly doubt he gets more then 5.5 for 4 years.

Why people think he can get more then a 5 year deal at 6 m per is funny.

I think we're trending towards more sensible contracts and away from overpaying UFA's but I don't think we're there yet. I think your numbers are reasonable but someone will overpay (as always seems to be the case), hard to say how much though. If I had to guess, I would say he gets a minimum of 5 years and 6 is more likely with 7 being a possibility. The money of course depends on term, maybe something like 5 years of 6m or 6 years at 5.5m. I do think your 5.5 for 4 years if low, 5.5 for 5 years I think is the absolute minimum, we'll see.

The question is, how many Lucik type catastrophes have to happen before everyone smartens up? I don't think we're quite there yet.

 

[diceman934]

I think we're trending towards more sensible contracts and away from overpaying UFA's but I don't think we're there yet. I think your numbers are reasonable but someone will overpay (as always seems to be the case), hard to say how much though. If I had to guess, I would say he gets a minimum of 5 years and 6 is more likely with 7 being a possibility. The money of course depends on term, maybe something like 5 years of 6m or 6 years at 5.5m. I do think your 5.5 for 4 years if low, 5.5 for 5 years I think is the absolute minimum, we'll see.

The question is, how many Lucik type catastrophes have to happen before everyone smartens up? I don't think we're quite there yet.

Gary I think I am bang on with my opinion as he does not bring anything else to the table and GM are getting smarter. I really think 5 years is what he can expect max and around the 5.25 to 5.5 per.

He scores and that has value but he is also very soft and can not create offense while being weak defensively. As well he has been sheltered all year and paying a winger who played against 3rd lines first line money seems silly even for desperate GM’s.

 

[diceman934]

His goal scoring will get him paid (ie 6-6.5). There’s always a Gm willing to pay, right or wrong.

They will be paying up at between 5.25 and 5.5m per on a 5 year deal.

They guy does not create offense, he is soft and is bad defensively his issues make him less desirable to most teams.

I think people are misjudging what a PP specialist is worth who has played all year sheltered against other teams 3 lines ... Not many teams are going to be lining up to sign him to term at first line money.. why people on here think so is baffling to me.

 

[diceman934]

I have never heard this stated by GMs and owners.
After the Erickson deal, Okposo got 7 years.
And BTW, Lucic had some massive flaws himself.

Do you really think JVR has the same value as Lucic did when he was a free agent? He simply does not. Sheltered wingers do not command a lot of attention nor get signed to long term 7 year deals at first line money. It simply does not happen.

 

[Menzinger]

They will be paying up at between 5.25 and 5.5m per on a 5 year deal.

They guy does not create offense, he is soft and is bad defensively his issues make him less desirable to most teams.

I think people are misjudging what a PP specialist is worth who has played all year sheltered against other teams 3 lines ... Not many teams are going to be lining up to sign him to term at first line money.. why people on here think so is baffling to me.

30 goals, 60 points. I don’t think some GMs will look past those numbers (let’s face it, most GMs in this league are pretty bad at their jobs).

Clarkson got 5+ million years ago for just doing that oncc (well, the 30 goal mark at least, not 60 points).

Oshie got 5.75 and put up slightly less offensive numbers than JVR - I really don’t think 6 million is out of the question. Especially under the context of a rising cap.

 

[Wings4Life]

No team will give him a full NTC. He can ask for the moon but he will not get it. This is a player with serious flaws. He is a big body who does not play like one who is not defensively responsible.

If he was more responsible defensively he would get more money but with a very low compete level he will got get the term nor money his agent will want. 6 years is a dream as is 6m per. No one will give him 7 years.

Detroit would offer 6x6m but I doubt he signs for that little.

 

[Liminality]

Detroit would offer 6x6m but I doubt he signs for that little.

I think enough teams would be willing to pay him 6x6 that it might be a bidding war till he either gets an extra year or a little bit more money like 6.25 or 6.5m.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Hyman Matthews Nylander
Marleau Kadri Marner
Johnsson Tavares Brown
Grundstrom Aaltonen Kapanen
Leivo

No room especially on wing. Upgrade needs to happen at center for us to move to consistent contenders.

 

[diceman934]

Detroit would offer 6x6m but I doubt he signs for that little.

Lol they would not and 100% sure if Holland is still the GM he does not even get an offer.

Do you really think that 6x6 is the low end?

Boy are you going to be surprised.

 

[LeafFever]

Do you really think JVR has the same value as Lucic did when he was a free agent? He simply does not. Sheltered wingers do not command a lot of attention nor get signed to long term 7 year deals at first line money. It simply does not happen.

Yes 100%.
In fact, Lucic played a style guys typically regress at an earlier age. JVR is "Sheltered", but on most teams he'd play more.

 

[garce]

Lol they would not and 100% sure if Holland is still the GM he does not even get an offer.

Do you really think that 6x6 is the low end?

Boy are you going to be surprised.

I will be shocked if he gets anything less than 6 mil. Not so much if the term is 5. There are always teams under pressure to do something notable. Somebody will strikeout on a major trade or Tavares and give JVR at least 6x6. I wouldn’t but 30 goals has a cache that superficially hides the warts in the summer months. I’d wager 6x6 is the starting point and he signs somewhere July 1 while the iron is white hot,

 

[Wings4Life]

Lol they would not and 100% sure if Holland is still the GM he does not even get an offer.

Do you really think that 6x6 is the low end?

Boy are you going to be surprised.

He is the perfect Tatar replacement. Holland will be after him once he clears some room, if JvR is available.

 

[LeafFever]

Not saying they won't, but signing a JVR for 6-7 years isn't the right direction for Detroit.
Maybe a team like Philly or NJ tries for him.

 

[taurine330]

Let them walk, please.

 

[therealkoho]

If the Rags get involved JvR should get 6x6.75....book it

 

[Menzinger]

Yes 100%.
In fact, Lucic played a style guys typically regress at an earlier age. JVR is "Sheltered", but on most teams he'd play more.

JVR is much better than Lucic - especially given the production he’s having this year. He should be in a position to get a similar contract. I mean he already has 30+ goals and the season isn’t over

 

[hoglund]

Bozak is needed for shoot outs, he has been an integral part of the Leafs this year and JVR has been hot, sign him.

 

[zeke]

Auston-Willy-Naz up the middle.

mix and match any and all of Marner, Marleau, Kapanen, Brown, Hyman, Johnsson, Leivo on their wings.

save the capspace for a big time dman.

 

[cupcrazyman]

Hyman Matthews Nylander
Marleau Kadri Marner
Johnsson Tavares Brown
Grundstrom Aaltonen Kapanen
Leivo

No room especially on wing. Upgrade needs to happen at center for us to move to consistent contenders.

You bring in Tavares and put him on the third line ?

 

[A1LeafNation]

You bring in Tavares and put him on the third line ?

Babcock would distribute the three lines evenly, no?

 

[socko]

I'd far rather have JVR than Marleau. Marleau the empty net goal king. Marleau and Plekanec. We need to stop.

 

[LeafFever]

I'd far rather have JVR than Marleau. Marleau the empty net goal king. Marleau and Plekanec. We need to stop.

I would too but Marleau can be gone after next season. 8 years for JVR is scary.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Would have liked some return

Kulemin
Grabovski
MacArthur

Good line that time

No return

Bad asset management