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Leafs should have neither re-signed JVR nor brought in Marleau (caveat . unless Leafs win Cup this year) and saved the cap space to sign Johnny Tavares instead should that opportunity present itself.
Yes, and without wins in the regular season, there is no playoffs.... To get to the playoffs
If JVR would take a Kadri deal, 4.5 x 6, he'd be signed already.I still say let him go. He's turning 29 soon. All those wingers who signed 6-7 years at that age as UFAs, how are they looking? That's a risky contract.
And stop with the "Marleau" got his money. You don't think management spoke privately and said we cannot sign JVR for 8 years prior? Of course they did. They're covering all bases.
Look at Kadri's deal. I have no idea ho wthey got him for that, but they know they'll never get JVR for anything close to that and Kadri is far better overall and plays a more important position.
Well I agree. I am the guy saying he would not even take 7 years. That was the point to Marleau being signed. They made their decisio last summer not to sign JVR.If JVR would take a Kadri deal, 4.5 x 6, he'd be signed already.
If JVR would take a Kadri deal, 4.5 x 6, he'd be signed already.
Sure if does. Marleau is an NHL ironman who has very little mileage on his body for his age and his skating is still strong. Do you have confidance JVR is that healthy and skating that good at 38? I don't. Marleau is a true rarity in the NHL.
10 years younger, JVR is more injury prone and a far worse skater and worse defensively.
Yes, and without wins in the regular season, there is no playoffs.
Yes. Phil Kessel hasn't missed a game since 2009. Very little mileage on him. It's about your style of play. That can help you have a long career. That's why guys like Lucic look like crap by their late 20's. More games does not equal more melieage. So the car example is a poor one.You feel as though a player who hasn’t missed an NHL game in years has very little mileage?
Awesome.
I’ve got a 1988 Honda Civic in great condition with very low mileage I would love to chat with you about.
I don’t want either player over the long term.
Risk and cap hit. It’s a thing.
Yes. Phil Kessel hasn't missed a game since 2009. Very little mileage on him. It's about your style of play. That can help you have a long career. That's why guys like Lucic look like crap by their late 20's. More games does not equal more melieage. So the car example is a poor one.
JVR won't be in the NHL at 38 imo.
No chance. It would be an insult to even offer it.We still don't have anyone who can replace what JVR does. Would he sign 3 years @ $8million? Way overpaid but short term while we look for another net front wizard.
no probs I kind of have more then a little faith for the guy who runs the leagues #5 PPNo shootouts in the playoffs
I think they could talk him down to 7 years, maybe some chance of 6 even (doubtful) but yeah, 4 years is a pipe-dream.
In today’s world...I doubt he gets 6 years and if he does it is for around 5m per.In what world does a UFA who's good for 30 goals a year get 5-5.5×5?
His agent would have to be high to get less than 6×6
trueNot sure I'd even want Pleks back
Need t find a longer term option
That is a joke. 4 years or so will be many teams offers. He may get 5 years but highly doubt he gets more then 5.5 for 4 years.But all these "Let's sign him for 4 years" arguments are worthless. It's 8 years or nothing.
Diceman, your view is eminently rational and logical, and why you would be better than a lot of the GM's out there.In today’s world...I doubt he gets 6 years and if he does it is for around 5m per.
Did you just compare a car to a hockey player?You feel as though a player who hasn’t missed an NHL game in years has very little mileage?
Awesome.
I’ve got a 1988 Honda Civic in great condition with very low mileage I would love to chat with you about.
I don’t want either player over the long term.
Risk and cap hit. It’s a thing.
That is a joke. 4 years or so will be many teams offers. He may get 5 years but highly doubt he gets more then 5.5 for 4 years.
Why people think he can get more then a 5 year deal at 6 m per is funny.
funny thing is between Kadri and JVR, I would take Kadri every day of the week.If JVR would take a Kadri deal, 4.5 x 6, he'd be signed already.
No team will give him a full NTC. He can ask for the moon but he will not get it. This is a player with serious flaws. He is a big body who does not play like one who is not defensively responsible.Yes indeed. We’ve had him at a bargain price for his production. There’s no way he’s going to take 5 or 5.5 as some have suggested.
He’ll want full NTC, and as you mentioned, a retirement contract. As Babcock said about a team I can’t remember (Chicago?), they knew when to move on from guys
You will see he will not get 7 years from anyone.Teams will not offer him 4 years. Guys like him never do sign for that. He'll get 7 years as a UFA.
Have you looked at the contracts guys get every July?
Erickson was a signing that GM and owners will point to as a reason why you do not give term to JVR. Lucic was a different matter all together as Edmonton needed some grit and meanness in their lineup something that JVC can not offer. He was also a player his GM coveted. JVR is not a solution to fix any teams problems he offers a low compete level and poor defensively as a major part of his skill set. That and his 30 plus goals will not add up to term. A shorter term may see him get more money but either way I see his total dollars and between 22m to 26m over the term of his deal.Diceman, your view is eminently rational and logical, and why you would be better than a lot of the GM's out there.
Would you have signed Lucic to the deal he is on? Loui Eriksson? There are a million REALLY bad signings out there, JVR will get term, and look good for a few years.
I have never heard this stated by GMs and owners.Erickson was a signing that GM and owners will point to as a reason why you do not give term to JVR. Lucic was a different matter all together as Edmonton needed some grit and meanness in their lineup something that JVC can not offer. He was also a player his GM coveted. JVR is not a solution to fix any teams problems he offers a low compete level and poor defensively as a major part of his skill set. That and his 30 plus goals will not add up to term. A shorter term may see him get more money but either way I see his total dollars and between 22m to 26m over the term of his deal.
Want to make a bet?You will see he will not get 7 years from anyone.