Will we win a Cup within the next 5 years under Hextall?

[Harhis]

Actually, the Pens are the dynasty. We are the “one-off”. Sad, but true. Gotta give the respect to Pitt.

Never do that.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Actually, the Pens are the dynasty. We are the “one-off”. Sad, but true. Gotta give the respect to Pitt.

The **** is this?

 

[tucson83]

Just because cup teams have veterans on their team doesn't invalidate Hextall's method.

The comment doesn't make any sense.

I wasn't aware there was some rule that stated if you build through the draft then you're not allowed to have veterans on the roster.


I think we're having 2 different conversations here.

it seems like that's what you were saying, when you say build through draft it means no vets are allowed on this team. usually gms say that we'll stay competitive via draft and free agency.

 

[magnumpi]

what?

If you believe people advocating a strong farm system are saying "no vets allowed" then I really don't know what to tell you. There's no point in engaging in a conversation. I'm speaking french and you're speaking Martian.

One of the points of having a great farm system is to use those assets and acquire a couple missing pieces via a trade when the time is ripe.

This is much more sophisticated then "vets good", "prospects bad".

 

[Striiker]

it seems like that's what you were saying, when you say build through draft it means no vets are allowed on this team. usually gms say that we'll stay competitive via draft and free agency.

Did you hit your head?

 

[deadhead]

Looking at most teams, with Pittsburgh somewhat of an exception because they had an exceptional core (Crosby, Malkin and Fleury), most contending teams build through the draft, by trading for prospects, and free agent patches. Top teams rarely sign top free agents, both because there aren't many and they often don't want to go to rebuilding teams - and when these teams become good, they're less eager to pay top dollar.

A lot of trades are talent for talent, that is, my guy who doesn't fit/we don't like for your misfit.
Sean Jones for Johannson.
Very few are prospects/draft picks for starting players, because only a few teams are rebuilding and are willing to trade good starters.
The Schenn trade was pretty unusual. A solid starter with years left on his contract at a reasonable salary for draft picks.

The worst trades are invariably those at the TDL.
The best steals come from scouting other teams' farm systems and identifying undervalued prospects, then buying them for a song.

With the changes in the game, older players may age faster, we saw that with Filppula, he was a solid 2C at 27-29, 3C from 30-32, and then declined quickly. Except for very talented players, I'd be wary of out years past 32 because it's harder to compensate for lack of speed as players age. And for bottom six guys, I'd make 30 the cutoff for all but the fastest guys. Read is an example, 3rd line 25-27, 4th line talent 28-30, below replacement by 31. Most of the aging decline charts are weighted toward the years when the league was slower.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

The **** is this?

The truth?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Actually, the Pens are the dynasty. We are the “one-off”. Sad, but true. Gotta give the respect to Pitt.

Since when does two cup wins make you a dynasty? Since the gap between first first and second are too far apart to link together.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Since when does two cup wins make you a dynasty? Since the gap between first first and second are too far apart to link together.

Dynasty, no dynasty. 3 cups in the last 10 years...we have ....

0. 0 in the modern era.

 

[Rebels57]

it seems like that's what you were saying, when you say build through draft it means no vets are allowed on this team. usually gms say that we'll stay competitive via draft and free agency.

I get that youre frustrated, but I think you know this is nonsense.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Agreed they have been very good. Now you agree with what you said about them being a dynasty is wrong.

 

[The Madrigal]

Vegas is about to make the cup finals as an expansion team and Hextall cant get the Flyers out of the first round of playoffs in four years. Reality is starting to set in and it isnt kind.

 

[Striiker]

Yeah, Hextall's an idiot for not following the rebuild strategy where the team overachieves their projection by like 40-50 points.

In hindsight it seems so obvious that was the right path...