Hard work is most of what hockey is. If the hard work is equal then talent wins out. But not everyone has the same level of hard work. And you have to have everyone on the same page with the right structure to get them to work hard, otherwise they won't even know where to start. And this is extraordinarily hard to do, that's why not that many teams can do it.Imo they're an average team that works very hard. That's enough to be a playoff team.