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What exactly was your point again?H/H said:Exactly my point
Oh wait, there was no point.
What exactly was your point again?H/H said:Exactly my point
Kaiped Krusader said:I'm not contradicting myself at all. People will naturally do what's in their interests.
If "the average worker" finds the union isn't suiting his needs then he should do something about it. If someone is a high achiever and feels they're being held back by the union, then it might be in their best interests to operate outside the bargaining framework somehow, either by setting up shop as an independent, by finding a more lucrative line of work, or by - gasp - finding a way to work into the management ranks.
Russian Fan said:good seats to a Habs games 2000 - 75 bucks
good seats to a Habs games 2004 - 123 bucks
payroll of the Habs in 2000 = 44M$
payroll of the Habs in 2004 = 45M$
It's easy to blame the payroll & the players to the ticket price but I don't believe for 1 second that ticket price will lower in Montreal even with a 5M$ cap.
You will only get the owners richer & the fan will still be output to business man.
SmokeyClause said:You are contradicting yourself. Union's are rarely in the best interests of workers. There are instances both in the past and in the present where they have helped, but they do little to help the average worker. And the American way is to watch out for yourself, not forming inefficient groups who serve only the interests of a few.
Seven_Nation_Army said:Take the airline business models...what companies have filed for Chapter 11 in the US?
http://business.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1087052004
http://nsnlb.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040916/BUSINESS/209160328/-1/business
Compare these two with the success Southwest(non-union controlled) has had in its existence and you'll see why the Players' union must be crushed
JKP said:I believe unions are outdated and no longer necessary.
- labour law suficiently protects workers (esp. in Canada)
- collective salary bargaining destroys the root of productivity: a meritocracy (reward for value provided)
- promotion based on seniority vs. merit further reduce productivity by placing the wrong people in the wrong roles
- union "rules" of who can do what further reduce productivity and options to increase productivity
- unions create a generally unhealthy "us vs. them" between managers and their staff; reducing the agility with which businesses can respond to fast-changing markets
- union leaders are now in fact the very same "fat cats" they historically profess to fight against, making massive salaries and often leading their unions into un-needed job actions simply to justify their high salaries and reason to exist
In a global economy, unions drive up the cost of goods and eventually force their employing companies to move the jobs elsewhere or allow for more competitive, non-unionized competitors to squeeze into their market.
I concur with the original poster's sentiments.
SmokeyClause said:You are contradicting yourself. Union's are rarely in the best interests of workers. There are instances both in the past and in the present where they have helped, but they do little to help the average worker. And the American way is to watch out for yourself, not forming inefficient groups who serve only the interests of a few.
Newsguyone said:WIthout unions, we would never have had a strong middle class.
WIthout a strong middle class, America wouldn't have become the great nation that it is.
Seven_Nation_Army said:Take the airline business models...what companies have filed for Chapter 11 in the US?
http://business.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1087052004
http://nsnlb.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040916/BUSINESS/209160328/-1/business
Compare these two with the success Southwest(non-union controlled) has had in its existence and you'll see why the Players' union must be crushed
JKP said:I believe unions are outdated and no longer necessary.
- labour law suficiently protects workers (esp. in Canada)
- collective salary bargaining destroys the root of productivity: a meritocracy (reward for value provided)
- promotion based on seniority vs. merit further reduce productivity by placing the wrong people in the wrong roles
- union "rules" of who can do what further reduce productivity and options to increase productivity
- unions create a generally unhealthy "us vs. them" between managers and their staff; reducing the agility with which businesses can respond to fast-changing markets
- union leaders are now in fact the very same "fat cats" they historically profess to fight against, making massive salaries and often leading their unions into un-needed job actions simply to justify their high salaries and reason to exist
In a global economy, unions drive up the cost of goods and eventually force their employing companies to move the jobs elsewhere or allow for more competitive, non-unionized competitors to squeeze into their market.
I concur with the original poster's sentiments.