Why retooling is the best option for the Habs
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Laurentide
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There were a few who had him in the 80's. Also some who referred to him as a Superstar, like the poster you quoted.
Most of the hockey world thought he was at least a 60-70 point guy. I think Ray Ferraro said he would score 30 rolling out of bed.
Its no different than the posters who keep saying AG is going to be a PPG center. Being high on a former 3rd OVA pick isn't that much of a reach.
Not to mention pretty much all the young players (and even the old ones) had great numbers under MT.
So I don't get how an argument can be made that a coach plays such an important role in the players development, but then completly dismiss MT's role in his players having great seasons. Its not like PK/Max/Price/Gally/AG were 10 year vets in the league. They were still young players 21/22/23 when he took over.
I am not saying give MT credit, he didn't make PK into PK or Price into Price. But he didn't prevent them either and you can't on one hand say coaching is so important but then say every player played great in spite of the coach. Its a contradictory argument to me. If the habs group all were great in spite of MT well then the coach doesn't really make that much of a difference.
CristianoRonaldo
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Too bad he did not stay at home this season.
Odd...i've been told it was just that65 is highly optimistic, but not delusional.
You can make lemonade out of lemons though.
Kadri has turned into a pretty good 2 way center and I'd say he was coached there.
CristianoRonaldo
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Grate n Colorful Oz
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Ok it's official then!
So I'm guessing you're co-authoring a research paper for Nature, together.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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A hyperbolic statement, but if those guys were on a TB or Pitts they would probably be doing much better than they did this year.
And I liked Hudon and Leks game this year don't get me wrong. But other teams seem to find these gems while the habs get stuck with 30-40 point guys who we lose patience with and trade away.
Yeah, he’s an academic reference for people despite not placing a whole lot of weight on academics if you see his BriseBois comments.
CristianoRonaldo
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Keep in mind a 40 point player on the habs is really a 60 point player on any team. Its the Montreal Tax
MSSLYNX
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Can you remind me what your offer for Giroux was cause i do remember plenty of daily Giroux threads to Mtl for peanuts?Keep in mind a 40 point player on the habs is really a 60 point player on any team. Its the Montreal Tax
He was sooo done.
groovejuice
Without deviation progress is not possible
Something to consider is that Galchenyuk was close to PPG the last time he regularly played centre.
Bergevin didn't do Drouin or the team any favours by forcing him at centre.
groovejuice
Without deviation progress is not possible
Beyond converting him to center, which I don't think was the biggest reason why he struggled...I think not acquiring anyone to insulate him was worse.
I mean, to convert him to center is one thing...but then to use him as your "#1" center with Tomas Plekanec & Philippe Danault as his insulation, is what actually set him up to fail, IMO.
Sorinth
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Different players will react differently to what the coach does. Some guys like Gallagher will probably play their heart out regardless, others like Eller will struggle without the coach believing in him.
You can blame it on the player not being mentally tough, but the truth is guys who have the kind of mental toughness to go through anything are rare.
As for the list, PK was already a top-pairing D-man, Max had already hit 65 points, Price had already led the league in wins and was considered a top goalie.
groovejuice
Without deviation progress is not possible
CristianoRonaldo
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The guy was on decline. He went from 86 points to 73 to 67 and 58 you add this to his age and contract and you get bad offer, that were legit at time.
Today it's another story.
Not to mention he was trash in the playoffs, what a waste of a 100 point season lol
Giroux?
I would of been in on that as long as PHI would have retaind 1-1.5 mill. My thinking was if Radu was worth 6.25, a 1 year younger C in Giroux was worth 7.25.
As far as pieces, picks or whatever, even Max I was fine with.
I don't think PHI moves him now with the season he had and the one they had. They probably try and build on what they did rather than continue to "tank".
