why dont senior-level women wear half-shields?

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Its actually in the rules that they are not allowed to wear half-shields at any level/age. About the reason behind it i have no clue. Probably just a relict from the times where women werent allowed to vote ;)

But found this link when i was looking for answears Sign the Petition

Im also wondering what the female players think, and if there is any interst in changing that rule.
 
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Its actually in the rules that they are not allowed to wear half-shields at any level/age. About the reason behind it i have no clue. Probably just a relict from the times where women werent allowed to vote ;)

But found this link when i was looking for answears Sign the Petition

Im also wondering what the female players think, and if there is any interst in changing that rule.

Could it be liability and lack of a medical person on the benches? I don't know if they ahve the resources to deal with a repair or injury like the mens pro leagues do.

They obviously have the choice not to wear onein recreational leagues, ive played with a few who have.

I assume there's Players Union for the NWHL/PHF and some agreement, who knows if this is really evne a issue for most women. I don't think many of them want a hockey smile.
 
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It's bad for those pro women's league to have full cages. To me those two thing don't go together. I'm a canuck by blood so that's my beef with NCAA too.. not really hockey IMO., the fake stuff :)
 
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Its actually in the rules that they are not allowed to wear half-shields at any level/age. About the reason behind it i have no clue. Probably just a relict from the times where women werent allowed to vote ;)

But found this link when i was looking for answears Sign the Petition

Im also wondering what the female players think, and if there is any interst in changing that rule.

IIHF rules or?
 
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It's bad for those pro women's league to have full cages. To me those two thing don't go together. I'm a canuck by blood so that's my beef with NCAA too.. not really hockey IMO., the fake stuff :)

See I'm the other way - I wonder why the pro men don't wear cages. Wanting to keep all your teeth doesn't make you any less manly.


Edit: just after I typed this I realize the reason why - because if everyone wore cages you'd have no fights...
 
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See I'm the other way - I wonder why the pro men don't wear cages. Wanting to keep all your teeth doesn't make you any less manly.


Edit: just after I typed this I realize the reason why - because if everyone wore cages you'd have no fights...

If we let the ladies wear half shields they'd start brawling :). I think we found our reason
 
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IIHF rules or?

RULE 31 – FACIAL PROTECTION & MOUTH GUARD See also IIHF Sport Regulations i. There are three permissible types of protection which can be attached to the front of a skater’s helmet: cage, visor, and full visor. ii. A visor is attached to the helmet and must extend down to cover the eyes and nose in its entirety. It must be fixed to the helmet along the sides such that it cannot be flipped up. iii. Member national associations participating in an IIHF championship event must ensure that their players are equipped with a helmet manufactured specifically for ice hockey and that, as applicable, a visor or cage is properly attached to it. SECTION 4 34 iv. Male players born after December 31, 1974, must wear, as a minimum, a visor. v. All female players must wear a helmet with cage or full visor. vi. All skaters in the age category Under-18 must wear a cage constructed in such a way that neither the puck nor a stick blade can penetrate it. vii. Skaters are not allowed to wear a coloured or tinted visor. viii. A skater whose visor or cage becomes cracked or broken during game action must leave the ice immediately. ix. All skaters in the age category Under-20 must wear a mouth guard

Thats from IIHF rule book.
 

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RULE 31 – FACIAL PROTECTION & MOUTH GUARD See also IIHF Sport Regulations i. There are three permissible types of protection which can be attached to the front of a skater’s helmet: cage, visor, and full visor. ii. A visor is attached to the helmet and must extend down to cover the eyes and nose in its entirety. It must be fixed to the helmet along the sides such that it cannot be flipped up. iii. Member national associations participating in an IIHF championship event must ensure that their players are equipped with a helmet manufactured specifically for ice hockey and that, as applicable, a visor or cage is properly attached to it. SECTION 4 34 iv. Male players born after December 31, 1974, must wear, as a minimum, a visor. v. All female players must wear a helmet with cage or full visor. vi. All skaters in the age category Under-18 must wear a cage constructed in such a way that neither the puck nor a stick blade can penetrate it. vii. Skaters are not allowed to wear a coloured or tinted visor. viii. A skater whose visor or cage becomes cracked or broken during game action must leave the ice immediately. ix. All skaters in the age category Under-20 must wear a mouth guard

Thats from IIHF rule book.

Interesting. I wonder why that is particular to females. Pretty sexist if u ask me :/
 

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The rules around facial/head protection have been driven pretty heavily by the desire to prepare players for the NHL. Every time new protections are added, there's a big fight over whether it's appropriate for major-junior players who are about to go pro. That has led to less protection at the most physically punishing level, which of course makes no medical sense but has been part of the culture for a long time now. If pro hockey didn't exist, I doubt very much that any junior players would still be allowed to wear half shields.

Women's hockey doesn't have this issue. They wear cages because it affords them full protection of the head and face. There's no rational reason for them not to wear them.
 

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The rules around facial/head protection have been driven pretty heavily by the desire to prepare players for the NHL. Every time new protections are added, there's a big fight over whether it's appropriate for major-junior players who are about to go pro. That has led to less protection at the most physically punishing level, which of course makes no medical sense but has been part of the culture for a long time now. If pro hockey didn't exist, I doubt very much that any junior players would still be allowed to wear half shields.

Women's hockey doesn't have this issue. They wear cages because it affords them full protection of the head and face. There's no rational reason for them not to wear them.

Maybe I'm too money-driven but my rational reason as it's is bad for marketability ESPECIALLY in a profit-driven venture that I believe the pro women leagues are. I watched highlights of one of the women's league and had the same reaction when I turn on NCAA, turned it off, albeit NCAA I lasted a minute or two longer. Not asking them to wear bikinis, just want to see their beautiful athletic prowess uninhibited :)
 
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Maybe I'm too money-driven but my rational reason as it's is bad for marketability. I watched highlights of one of the women's league and had the same reaction when I turn on NCAA, turned it off, albeit NCAA I lasted a minute or two longer. Not asking them to wear bikinis, just want to see their beautiful athletic prowess uninhibited :)

Ultimately this is the reason the NHL has dragged their feet on requiring helmets and then visors. If it were about safety, the players would all be out there in cages. But the league is selling a product, so they want you to see as much of their face as possible. Juniors leagues, same thing. It comes down to the money.

I guarantee the women’s pro leagues have had this conversation behind the scenes, and if anyone starts making serious money you will see those cages come off.
 
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Ultimately this is the reason the NHL has dragged their feet on requiring helmets and then visors. If it were about safety, the players would all be out there in cages. But the league is selling a product, so they want you to see as much of their face as possible. Juniors leagues, same thing. It comes down to the money.

I guarantee the women’s pro leagues have had this conversation behind the scenes, and if anyone starts making serious money you will see those cages come off.

I hope they do. Would love to see women's game become more visible and taken more seriously. Lots of great professionals in that league that the average Joe wouldn't be able to distinguish from minor hockey players. Just my ✌️ cents
 
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Ultimately this is the reason the NHL has dragged their feet on requiring helmets and then visors. If it were about safety, the players would all be out there in cages. But the league is selling a product, so they want you to see as much of their face as possible. Juniors leagues, same thing. It comes down to the money.

I guarantee the women’s pro leagues have had this conversation behind the scenes, and if anyone starts making serious money you will see those cages come off.

I don't think it comes down to marketability though. The NFL is the biggest sport in north america, and their players are all wearing face protection that's only slightly less intrusive than a hockey cage.

I really do think it comes down to fighting and "toughness".
 

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I don't think it comes down to marketability though. The NFL is the biggest sport in north america, and their players are all wearing face protection that's only slightly less intrusive than a hockey cage.

I really do think it comes down to fighting and "toughness".

Touche. And funnily enough, women wear half shields in pro football :)
 

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I don't think it comes down to marketability though. The NFL is the biggest sport in north america, and their players are all wearing face protection that's only slightly less intrusive than a hockey cage.

I really do think it comes down to fighting and "toughness".

In the case of football, the sport isn’t playable without facial protection. They’d probably prefer not to have helmets with facemasks, but it isn’t possible.
 

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In the case of football, the sport isn’t playable without facial protection. They’d probably prefer not to have helmets with facemasks, but it isn’t possible.

Oh really? :sarcasm:

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