Why do we hate all our coaches?

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  1. Beacon

    Beacon Embrace the tank

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    I've had internet since the days of Colin Campbell. Every single coach we've had was hated. Our problems were always blamed on the coach making everything worse: misusing our players, terrible lines, not giving players a chance and most of all, refusing to play the kids.

    Colin Campbell was called Colon Cancer. He gave no chance to our stars of the future: Ferraro twins, Sorochan, Galanov, Dube, Blouin. He played old guys like Driver, Lowe, Lidster. And same story for the two decades worth of coaches after Campbell. I mean, is it possible that the coach knows what he's doing when he's playing Lidster over Sorochan?

    Maybe there are reasons coaches do certain things: they watch players in practice, they view prospects for what they are today and not as if they already reached their ceiling, they have to deal with personalities, they see little things that fans don't see (which is why the fans don't get hired as million-dollar coaches)?
     
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  2. Megustaelhockey

    Megustaelhockey Blue and pointy

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    Because they don't win. This team won three Stanley Cups in the first 14 years of its existence and 1 in the following 78.

    No Adams trophies either.
     
  3. Thirty One

    Thirty One Safe is safe.

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    Everyone hates all their coaches. We have a very specific idea of what should be done and any variance from that is a character flaw on them.
     
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  4. Hunter Gathers

    Hunter Gathers White guilt milquetoast piece of human garbage. Sponsor

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    I never hated Torts. I didn’t hate Renney for a while.

    Coaches have a shelf life, though. With both fans and players. This has been true since sports were invented.
     
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    romba Registered User

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    Everyone loved Renney for a couple of seasons. Team had a bunch of fresh faces including the coach, and they exceeded fans expectations for a few years due to Jagr-Straka-Nylander+ Hank who dropped on the scene like a thermonuclear warhead. Then as things went south and the Gomez and Drury era began we started souring on Renney.

    Even with AV we also had a honeymoon period of a couple of season where the team was exciting and offensive and a breath of fresh air after the Torts era.
     
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  6. GeorgeKaplan

    GeorgeKaplan Registered User

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    There’s that old adage “coaches get hired to get fired.”

    Hating coaches isn’t unique to Rangers fans, it’s every fan base in every sport
     
  7. White Plains Batman

    White Plains Batman Faceoffs? Faceoffs!!

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    Who is the "we"? My Global Studies/AP History teacher used to always warn us that "sweeping generalizations are often if not always incorrect."

    It's all about expectations. A guy like Renney, he was a caretaker who gave us some VERY entertaining hockey. Roger Neilson stabilized the ship after the turbulent Espo years. Yes, Ted Sator wasn't a good guy, but he got results? Without analyzing too much:

    Coaches I've liked in my lifetime: Roger Neilson, Mike Keenan, Tom Renney, Torts, AV

    Coaches I've disliked: Muckler, Low

    Trottier I can't "hate" he was in over his head and the entire organization was a disaster in his time here. I liked the results Campbell and also Sator got, but both of them chased away or traded players (Zubov/Kovalev and Reijo/Pavelich) that damaged the organization.

    I don't hate AV at all, but his methods and style were wearing thin.

    Hating a coach and realizing it's time to go are two very different things.
     
  8. SnowFort

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    I can only speak of my dislike for AV, as I became a fan the year he was hired, but his system worked, at first. It was exiting hockey. Not so much the last couple of years though, where in my mind the system turned into a one trick pony where most of the goals came from odd man rushes.

    It will be exiting with a new coach with new ideas. But really, isn’t most coaches hated before they’re let go? Most have a shelf life but stays beyond that.
     
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  9. JT Kreider

    JT Kreider FIRE AV

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    I'll defend Torts to the death of me. That 2012 team was a culmination of what he had been building for 3 years.

    And what he did with Brian Boyle is nothing short of a miracle. When he first came over from the Kings he was a totally uncordinated goof who couldn't stand on his own two feet.

    Torts developed him into one of the best depth players in the NHL. Boylers playoff success speaks for itself.

    Stralman too. He was on his last legs in this league. Cut by the Devils, Leafs and Blue Jackets.

    Then Sather blew it all up in typical NY fashion for the shiny new toy in Nash.
     
  10. LiasAndersson

    LiasAndersson impartial rags fan ;)

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    Because they're an easy scapegoat.

    It was definitely Alain who lost vs Ottawa not the precious players he might have 'misused.'
     
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    haveandare Registered User

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    If by blew it all up you mean added an elite goal scorer that helped the team get further than they have in a very long time, yeah he totally blew it up.

    Sather made a lot of real stupid moves, but the Nash trade wasn't one of them imo. I'm real happy we're not stuck with that Dubi contract and he was the biggest loss of that for me.
     
  12. JT Kreider

    JT Kreider FIRE AV

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    Just go back and look at the Brassard goal to tie Game 5.

    Glass and Staal on the ice in the final minute defending a lead in the most important game of the season.

    What the ****ing ****? Should have been fired on the spot. The second he walked into the locker room after the horn sounded to end regulation.

    Because there was no coming back from there. The series was over at that point. No chance we were winning that game in OT. The players themselves knew it. The Senators knew it. All the people in the half full building in bumble**** Kanata knew it.
     
  13. Levitate

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    Torts definitely has a shelf life. Hard to have a coach that intense last super long. There's talk even now of him being gone in Columbus if they don't make it out of the first round, despite him basically being the best coach they've ever had.

    My ultimate complaint about Torts is similar to my complaint about AV...he wouldn't adjust his style and kept insisting the team had no talent and couldn't play anything but conservative shot block hockey.

    That all said, he was a good coach for the Rangers for a time. Can't complain in the end. I think he's actually a pretty good coach overall and one of the few I've seen really re-evaluate himself and his methods and come back with Columbus a better coach with better methods.
     
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  14. haveandare

    haveandare Registered User

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    Coaches always end on bad notes, it's the nature of the business. So, when all is said and done and it's time for a coach to be canned, the fans are usually ready and are sick of them.
     
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    will1066 R.I.P. 2017-18

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    Because we on the interwebs are the REAL experts.
     
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    ditto.
    I liked and trusted Torts.
    I'd welcome him back, he'd coach the guys he had, and the game in front of him, (.. unlike how it seemed too often w AV).

    I lost faith in Renney once it began to feel like he'd rather lose a game 2-1 than win one 6-4
     
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  17. LiasAndersson

    LiasAndersson impartial rags fan ;)

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    And if he double/triple shifted McDonagh and Girardi people would've just *****ed about Dan Girardi....

    It's psychology. People want to deflect blame and culpability away from people they like (the players on the ice) and use someone like a coach whose interchangeable and someone they're not as connected to to blame.

    You'll never see nevesis say Hank gave up a bad goal. or Machinhead that a Corgi god made a bad play....
     
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    The only coach I truely didn't like was Renney. He wore out his welcome REAL FAST.

    No backbone.
     
  19. McSauer

    McSauer Defense Wins Games

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    Ah I'm so sick of hearing about that team; did they have hustle and heart? Sure. But that team also peaked in February and played .500 hockey from there on out...consistently could not get up for games including the playoffs to put teams away...maybe if Gaborik didn't get injured game 1 vs. Ottawa we would have had a shot against the Devils.

    The next season was an abortion and Torts completely fell apart; firing him was one of the best moves we've made in the 2010s...
     
  20. darko

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    Because any poster on here could do a better job. We are all experts. Coaches suck.
     
  21. Machinehead

    Machinehead Comparable to Jesper Fast

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    I liked Tom Renney. I still like Tom Renney.

    Most people agreed that Torts did good, but the team had gone as far as they were going under him.

    The only one "hated" was AV because he's a *******.
     
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    Machinehead Comparable to Jesper Fast

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    An HF poster probably beats Ottawa in 2017.
     
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    HF poster takes them all the way. In fact we'd probably be looking at a 4-peat.
     
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    Machinehead Comparable to Jesper Fast

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    Fine, take it to a ridiculous extreme as usual.

    I guess constant reliance on your worst players is some sort of nuanced expertise.
     
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  25. PlamsUnlimited

    PlamsUnlimited W H O M S T

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    As Gusta has said and he is right, it isn't really a great age for coaching, but throughout history, he's also right in that they don't win here. Not winning championships sours people really fast, especially in a place where it is expected to see winning teams. It isn't just the bench boss' faults but it's easier to replace 1-4 people than it is 18-21.
     
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