Why do the leafs give up so many shots against?
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Tak7
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Yep.
Something that went relatively unmentioned here last year, was that in the back half of the season Polak-Hunwick partnership started to pull their weight a lot more than they did in the first half of the season.
That helped a lot - not having a pairing that was as big an anchor as the first half of the season
That's because we have an elite offense and have the talent to outscore our problems. All of our defensive metrics are in the toilet. Our total corsi and fenwick attempts against are both third last, but our elite offense means we're positive. Scoring chances against are bottom five, high danger chances against 10th worst but our elite offense means we're positive. We're winning games because we're positive in these metrics, but according to those stats it just means we're playing firewagon hockey. I agree with your general premise that the Leafs defense is underrated. I think we have the players and the coach to be far, far better. I think that these numbers are more the results of our poor team play than, "omg leafs d sux lol". If the Leafs want to be an elite team, they need to be better. The fix can be as simple as starting on time. 10 more minutes of effort per game sees those numbers go from bad to average. Fixing the breakout and getting hemmed in less sees those numbers go from bad to average. With our elite offense and good/great goaltending, average defensive metrics and make us an extremely good team.
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You guus do realize we create a lot more chances then the opposition right? Yesterday was just the exception. The Leafs started playing their best hockey starting around January last season so it might take some time. Plus I dont buy Babcock's system is to get outshot every game. Im pretty sure Leafs will improve in this area so I am not too worried about it, but the breakout is wierd. That needs to get fixed just dont know if thats a system issue or players not executing
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zeke
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5v5 Score-Adjusted
49.75ca/60 (#18)
39.08fa/60 (#24)
28.61sa/60 (#24)
27.64sca/60 (#17)
10.22hdsca/60 (#10)
2.50xga/60 (#28)
2.34ga/60 (#18)
All of the numbers you just posted, with the exception of HDSCA/60, are terrible or at best below average.
They are only bad because there is no context
"adjusted"
- 2nd in XGF/60
- 28'th in XGA/60
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Lots of the shots the Leafs give up are from very low scoring percenage zones I feel like.
Obviously certain games are exceptions but I feel like the Leafs style allows shots from far out and bad angles but tries to stop the shots/tips in the slot.
Obviously certain games are exceptions but I feel like the Leafs style allows shots from far out and bad angles but tries to stop the shots/tips in the slot.
Damisoph
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Maybe it's just me but I think the harping on shots against is a little much. Yes there are some games that we give up far too many high danger shots, last night is one example. Most games though a high % of the shots come from the point, half boards, bad angles, etc. It's almost like the players are all too aware of their corsi rating and fire it from everywhere.
Saying that, there are major issues with our breakouts, the system is ok but the players seem to think too much, the horrific ice at the ACC is also a problem.
Saying that, there are major issues with our breakouts, the system is ok but the players seem to think too much, the horrific ice at the ACC is also a problem.
Erndog
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Does the opposition play on different ice?
Damisoph
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I was going to address that in the "why do we get so many shots for each game" thread, but that thread doesn't exist.
They are only bad because there is no context
"adjusted"
- 2nd in XGF/60
- 28'th in XGA/60
That adds the context that explains why we're able to win games, which I have totally understand. But it still says we're struggling defensively, which matches what we're seeing on the ice and the results we're having. Our offense is better than our deffense is bad, so it's a net positive, but our defense has still been bad.
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Damisoph
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zeke
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they are mostly "below average".
but that's just a starting point - because i never like looking at those numbers alone.
the leafs could lower those numbers substantially, by sacrificing offensive chances via say trapping like other teams with "better" numbers do, but not actually be better off for it.
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zeke
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upgrade the D all you want, but last night's 40-odd shots against were mostly because our forwards were unable to maintain offensive zone possession.
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My point isn't referencing one game, so that's kind of whatever to general reality....we need an upgrade on D if we can swing it.
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