Who is the most unlikeable owner?

Phil Parent

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Molson isn't unlikeable, really. He's a stand-up, community-oriented owner. But when it comes to hockey ops, he's just a really nice ostrich with his head deep, deep in the sand.

I also think he's weak when it comes to making the Habs influential in the higher circles of the league.
 
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Terry Yake

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melnyk or katz

katz has an extremely punchable face, is a well known all around d-bag, and his son with the [mod] who we've seen grow up in front of our eyes at each draft annoys me too
 
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Ballard is the definition of human scum. Seriously..f*** that guy, I hope he's rotting somewhere.

Melnyk is just a cheap, loudmouthed prick who'se delusions, antics, and words are cartoonishly moronic.
 
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snag

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Katz seems like the biggest d-bag by far.

Melnyk with his whining and forensic investigation seems like an idiot as well.

Care to quantify that? Other than a sexual allegation by an actress with a less than stellar career and her professional gambler husband who has been banned from every major casino in addition to being an FBI informant into a drug/gambling ring to save his own ass after losing millions gambling in attempts to launder it (sounds like someones funds are running dry after two failed careers and always having to watch their backs) not sure Katz is any different than any other owner..

Don't count my post on page 1 as to any sort of condemnation or this one to any sort of endorsement either. I am just curious as to what Katz does that other owners don't that makes him such a d-bag?
 

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Edwards (and all the Flames owners) are great.

They are in the right in the arena situation. Not a chance he is one of the worst owners.
Eh? He's literally lied to the public at several points during the "negotiation." If he was in the right, there would be no reason for him to attempt delude people with such gems as:

- the city is no longer willing to negotiate (when they were)
- the city's offer has us paying for 125% of the arena (which it doesn't)
etc.

But, that said, these are all antics he's pulling as a businessman attempting to do businessman things, which I don't find that despicable. He wants more money for the owners, which is his prerogative. And there is no set in stone rule for what is a fair amount for them to pay for the building that will ultimately benefit both them and the city.
 

DaveG

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I actually posted similar comments on the sens board today...

What owner trades draft picks for cash? Purposely takes on bad front loaded contracts once the pay is lower than the cap? Never buys out players that are underperforming? Trades youth for age so they don’t have to pay them (zibanejad)

I present to you Eugene Melnyk for discussion, not sure another owner has had this impact on their team. I can ignore the media crap but the stuff above is just killing the sens

Peter Karmanos.

That said, Karmanos thankfully is selling and he's not as hands on as Melnyk and nowhere near as outspoken. I can't think of any players that he's driven off over money in over a decade as well, with Primeau way back about 15 years ago being the only notable one I can think of.
 

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Care to quantify that? Other than a sexual allegation by an actress with a less than stellar career and her professional gambler husband who has been banned from every major casino in addition to being an FBI informant into a drug/gambling ring to save his own ass after losing millions gambling in attempts to launder it (sounds like someones funds are running dry after two failed careers and always having to watch their backs) not sure Katz is any different than any other owner..

Don't count my post on page 1 as to any sort of condemnation or this one to any sort of endorsement either. I am just curious as to what Katz does that other owners don't that makes him such a d-bag?

Hiring all the old Oilers despite them repeatedly showing that they were incompetent boobs, multiple stories (not just one actress) about him being a creep- where theres smoke there's fire, being proud of the total gong show that piece of crap organization he runs is, being from Edmonton, constantly trotting out his son at the draft, the DVD the team sent out, tier 1 fans, banning signs from the rink that weren't pro-Oilers, Sportsnet Oilers coverage with 3 of the most unprofessional people in any line of work (Quinn, Principe, Remenda), the stupid "welcome to Edmonton" bit with McDavid.
 
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Eh? He's literally lied to the public at several points during the "negotiation." If he was in the right, there would be no reason for him to attempt delude people with such gems as:

- the city is no longer willing to negotiate (when they were)
- the city's offer has us paying for 125% of the arena (which it doesn't)
etc.

But, that said, these are all antics he's pulling as a businessman attempting to do businessman things, which I don't find that despicable. He wants more money for the owners, which is his prerogative. And there is no set in stone rule for what is a fair amount for them to pay for the building that will ultimately benefit both them and the city.

I trust him a hell of a lot more than Spenshi, so I would not agree that he or the Flames lied at any point.

He is in a tough spot because the Mayor doesn't want hockey in Calgary so he is willing to lie and use any method necessary to spin the story in his favor. The morons in Calgary have bought into his lies because so many of the them think it is hip to have a minority as a mayor and that it shows that Calgary aren't rednecks that they will buy any lie he sells them.
 

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I trust him a hell of a lot more than Spenshi, so I would not agree that he or the Flames lied at any point.

He is in a tough spot because the Mayor doesn't want hockey in Calgary so he is willing to lie and use any method necessary to spin the story in his favor. The morons in Calgary have bought into his lies because so many of the them think it is hip to have a minority as a mayor and that it shows that Calgary aren't rednecks that they will buy any lie he sells them.

No, I mean you don't need to even guess on the second one. The facts of each proposal were made public, so one can objectively analyze the truth of what was claimed. He, a knowledgeable and experienced businessman, attempted to claim that money paid for property tax while owning a building and making profit off of it factors into the cost to construct that building. Given his experience, it's not really plausible for that to be just ignorance on his part. He knew the truth, and decided to say something else to try to gain the sympathy of the public. So, he did lie. I'm interested in your source for Nenshi not wanting a hockey team in Calgary. Everything seems to indicate that what he doesn't want is for the city to assume the costs of ownership of a team while not gaining the profits of ownership of the team.

At the end of the day, perhaps a less objective criteria for judging him is more applicable. His job was to negotiate the best deal for the team, and what he ended up with is the majority of Calgary residents feeling insulted by him and not wanting to give him the time of day. Kind of a failure of epic proportions there. I think he would have been way better off if he'd just been straight-up from the start: as a business, we want the best deal possible, and here's what we think is fair based on comparable deals struck around the league, and the financial incentives for the city. The missing piece to this negotiation has been any semblance of "good faith."
 
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I would believe what Edwards and the Flames say as being the truth over some BS presented by the city as "fact."

My source for Nenshi not wanting a team is watching how he acts and what he says. He would rather throw money away on stupid art projects and fancy bridges than make a fair deal to keep the hockey team in Calgary.
 

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Hiring all the old Oilers despite them repeatedly showing that they were incompetent boobs, multiple stories (not just one actress) about him being a creep- where theres smoke there's fire, being proud of the total gong show that piece of crap organization he runs is, being from Edmonton, constantly trotting out his son at the draft, the DVD the team sent out, tier 1 fans, banning signs from the rink that weren't pro-Oilers, Sportsnet Oilers coverage with 3 of the most unprofessional people in any line of work (Quinn, Principe, Remenda), the stupid "welcome to Edmonton" bit with McDavid.

Only going to touch on 2 things.....well....most of this isn't even him ffs and the "big" one is unsubstantiated.

being from Edmonton Is that the best you got: "He's from Edmonton". I would like to think in this day and age there are educational institutions in Calgary that with my tax dollars can develop a more articulate mind and thought process than, "Der...hees frum Edmuntun!" Like seriously? Can you make yourself any more unlikeable with such a comment?

constantly trotting out his son at the draft
This I admit was embarassing. But tell me, if you and your kid (if you have one) were die-hard hockey fans and had the opportunity to own YOUR favourite team...would you say no to him? As a fan I cringe when I see this but as a father, as a man who's testicles, heart and brain all function.....I CAN UNDERSTAND IT!

 

DarthYenik

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The worse thing Samueli has done is that speech during the Teemu/Kariya ceremony.

He was openly boo’d by a full Honda Center, though.

It’s all kinda cute compared to other owners’ transgressions.
 

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I would believe what Edwards and the Flames say as being the truth over some BS presented by the city as "fact."

My source for Nenshi not wanting a team is watching how he acts and what he says. He would rather throw money away on stupid art projects and fancy bridges than make a fair deal to keep the hockey team in Calgary.

Murray Edwards is definitely hated throughout the city right now, and for very good reasons. Add to that that he played the role of heavy for the owners in the last lockout and I think he would rank highly league wide.

Also, you have erroneously (and hilariously!) again conflated your own opinion with fact. If you do any research into this at all you will very easily find that the City is being quite truthful and that ownership (through their mouth/ass piece ken king) has been lying and making up positions this entire time.

In my opinion, ownership is very clearly pining/ holding out for the Calgary Next proposal, more than likely because of the surrounding development opportunities and roi that comes with it. It's a pissing match with Katz-y boy.
 
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Murray Edwards is definitely hated throughout the city right now, and for very good reasons. Add to that that he played the role of heavy for the owners in the last lockout and I think he would rank highly league wide.

Also, you have erroneously (and hilariously!) again conflated your own opinion with fact. If you do any research into this at all you will very easily find that the City is being quite truthful and that ownership (through their mouth/ass piece ken king) has been lying and making up positions this entire time.

In my opinion, ownership is very clearly pining/ holding out for the Calgary Next proposal, more than likely because of the surrounding development opportunities and roi that comes with it. It's a pissing match with Katz-y boy.

Don't worry I have done enough research to know that it is Nenshi who without a doubt is the dcumbag in this scenario.
 

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Don't worry I have done enough research to know that it is Nenshi who without a doubt is the dcumbag in this scenario.
Oh? Your 'research' has produced different results than literally every other person that has looked into this situation? Nenshi is being obtuse, but the city's position as a whole is very sound. Ownership (Murray being the ring leader) have put untenable positions on the table for every step of the east village proposal negotiations- they've poison pilled the thing. When they couldn't get their way they very visibly tried to shape a local election, and failed. Please present any argument that validates your case outside of snide or shadowy references to knowledge you supposedly have? Otherwise I think it's very fair to claim you're being an idiotic troll, with strong potential that you're actually just a shill.
 
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I would believe what Edwards and the Flames say as being the truth over some BS presented by the city as "fact."

My source for Nenshi not wanting a team is watching how he acts and what he says. He would rather throw money away on stupid art projects and fancy bridges than make a fair deal to keep the hockey team in Calgary.

Well, in that case you're admitting that you're unable to remain objective.

But regardless of that, the details of the city's offer were discussed by Ken King. There was no indication that the details released to the public were false in any way. So from that perspective, we can consider that as truthful. And I apologize, I've been talking about Murray Edwards and Ken King as though they were the same person. Most of my ire is towards King. Who really knows whether Edwards was involved in the lying and spin tactics? But Edwards employs the guy to be his mouthpiece, so that does still fall on him.

To your last sentence there, you seem to be making an assumption of mutual exclusivity. I think Nenshi wants to spend money on arts and infrastructure as well as making a fair deal. If the deal proposed by the city was truly not fair, why did Ken King feel the need to resort to outright lying in order to persuade people that it wasn't fair? Why didn't he just point out the flaws? What it seemed like, and certainly what he ended up convincing the public of, was that it was a fair deal, but the Flames actually wanted an unfair deal because every other owner is getting an unfair deal. Perhaps that's not true, but given how many people think it's true, that's a bad job by the Flames.
 

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