Player Discussion Who do you want the Stars to trade for?

Which player should the Stars acquire at the Trade deadline?

  • Rick Nash

  • Michael Grabner

  • Luke Glendening

  • Mats Zuccarello

  • Max Pacioretty

  • Mike Hoffman

  • Patrick Maroon

  • Thomas Vanek

  • Evander Kane

  • Max Domi

  • Gustav Nyquist

  • Other or none (Specify)


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Kcb12345

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Can't believe anyone can make an argument for Ritchie anymore...even when he scored 16 goals he has never shown potential. Maybe the only time he did was in his 2 first career games. He's slow, slow to release his Shot, and good for nothing except eating up 4th liner minutes, hitting, and winning battles along the boards that lead to nothing. He is done. Shore I see the potential is still there but he should have a little value included in a trade/package deal. I cringe everytime he gets on the ice or even touches the puck because I know it's a 1 in 100 chance something good comes from it. Remi Elie has tons of speed and a little skill but almost no ability to finish off a play. Good 4th liner. Gemel Smith is a lot better than Ritchie and Elie and should easily be in the lineup over them, not sure why Hitch rarely plays him
 

Kcb12345

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So ideally, I'd like to see us acquire Hoffman or Pacioretty, but there's almost no way Nill is going to do that and pay those prices, especially Hoffman (I don't even think Hoffman will be dealt). Pacioretty I Also think will stay or some team will overpay for him. Jim Nill is likely going to stay put.
 
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Seeing how the Stars are playing lately, especially against playoff bound teams, I don't really want Nill to trade for anyone this TDL - it just isn't our year yet. We may be able to beat one of Nashville or Winnipeg, but we aren't beating both no matter who we trade for, so our Cup hopes are going to have to wait another year.

The two trades I'd like Nill to make are to move out Roussel and Pateryn for picks since they're both going to get paid more than the Stars should give them, and we may as well get something before they leave. That will open up room for both Honka and Smith to stay in the lineup full-time and hopefully do their dumb-young-player-mistakes this year and be better prepared next season.
 

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So ideally, I'd like to see us acquire Hoffman or Pacioretty, but there's almost no way Nill is going to do that and pay those prices, especially Hoffman (I don't even think Hoffman will be dealt). Pacioretty I Also think will stay or some team will overpay for him. Jim Nill is likely going to stay put.

I agree on both accounts. Hoffman is the ideal target however like you've stated the prices are likely to be too expensive, especially considering extra year(s) of control. Investing into either Hoffman or Patches would change the way this off-season would work greatly from a cap perspective. We have around $17.6M in cap next season which leaves you $13.1M if you obtained Patches, and $12.4125M if you obtained Hoffman. It becomes a difficult task to take care of just your own guys (Roussell, Shore, Elie, Janmark, Smith, Hamhuis, Pateryn, Johns, Lehtonen) that you want to retain, let alone finding investments in Free Agency that may or may not be desired. That $1.5M cap hit buyout from Niemi would be nice to not have sitting there next year.

Why couldn't Vegas have done the considerate thing and tank so they could have traded us James Neal :(
 

Troy McClure

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When we talk about windows and when the team is ready or able to win, we should take a look at the team's important veteran players.

PlayerAge*ContractBS
Benn297 more seasonsCan't help but wonder what he'll have left at ages 32-34.
Seguin261 more season The next $10 million man. Plays a style that can hold up.
Radulov324 more seasonsAs physical as he is, how much longer can he be this awesome into his mid-30s?
Bishop315 more seasonsHow many more seasons does he have as a quality starter?
Klingberg264 more seasonsMight want to try to win while you have this best contract in the NHL.
Spezza351 more seasonIf Nill can't dump this contract, it's going to impede doing much this summer.
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
* Age is as of the start of next season.

Gaglardi and Nill threw in a lot of cap dollars to bring in Radulov and Bishop. Sure seems like punting on this season is taking for granted the ability of these expensive vets in their 30s to come back and be equally good next season.
 
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Troy,

Nice post, clears up a few things. Especially that they were seen as an "all in" team in the off season, and when playing well, appear to be a contender.

If the off season work was, say, 90% complete, then the argument for making a trade is that without the final 10% at TDL, the original 90% is basically wasted.

The argument against is what Nill says - still only one team can win the Cup out of 16 that make the PO - 6% chance - and a does one player really increase that? TDL deals rarely work out. The Stars need a half dozen players to step up their game at the beginning of the playoffs. Is some nearly over the hill winger more likely to catch fire than one they currently have on the roster? Maybe, if he is a PP specialist or known playoff performer, but there is also the "blending him in" factor, which sometimes doesn't happen in 20 games.

But, doing the last 10% to go all in seems to be the way to go, at least to me. Despite the odds.
 

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Pretty much the normal trend, other teams in our Conf. improve at the TDL and we sick with our thumb.

I think Lucic would be a good fit especially since Edmonton is probably willing to retain a significant portion.
 

Benneguin

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Troy,

Nice post, clears up a few things. Especially that they were seen as an "all in" team in the off season, and when playing well, appear to be a contender.

If the off season work was, say, 90% complete, then the argument for making a trade is that without the final 10% at TDL, the original 90% is basically wasted.

The argument against is what Nill says - still only one team can win the Cup out of 16 that make the PO - 6% chance - and a does one player really increase that? TDL deals rarely work out. The Stars need a half dozen players to step up their game at the beginning of the playoffs. Is some nearly over the hill winger more likely to catch fire than one they currently have on the roster? Maybe, if he is a PP specialist or known playoff performer, but there is also the "blending him in" factor, which sometimes doesn't happen in 20 games.

But, doing the last 10% to go all in seems to be the way to go, at least to me. Despite the odds.

Gotta love Nill. He’s a “just the tip” kind of guy.
 

Satan

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Troy,

Nice post, clears up a few things. Especially that they were seen as an "all in" team in the off season, and when playing well, appear to be a contender.

If the off season work was, say, 90% complete, then the argument for making a trade is that without the final 10% at TDL, the original 90% is basically wasted.

The argument against is what Nill says - still only one team can win the Cup out of 16 that make the PO - 6% chance - and a does one player really increase that? TDL deals rarely work out. The Stars need a half dozen players to step up their game at the beginning of the playoffs. Is some nearly over the hill winger more likely to catch fire than one they currently have on the roster? Maybe, if he is a PP specialist or known playoff performer, but there is also the "blending him in" factor, which sometimes doesn't happen in 20 games.

But, doing the last 10% to go all in seems to be the way to go, at least to me. Despite the odds.

The bolded comment is a fair point, except for when guys with term on their contract such as Hoffman and Pacioretty were rumoured to be available, and Ryan McDonagh was also traded.

Pretty disappointed Nill didn't look to add a piece. We're looking at another wasted year.
 

ugrakarma

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I wouldn't be too surprised if they missed the playoffs by a few points. I wasn't expecting a lot from the trade deadline but a Maroon type plug for bag of pucks would have been okay. Fingers crossed.
 

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This past tdl everyone was overpaying big time. Every player traded yesterday could be considered a 2nd tier commodity. What would getting Hoffman or Patches get? 3 1st round picks? And McDonough in my mind is pretty overrated. He could have been a slight improvement over lindell but next year Heiskanen is coming in so would we push lindell then to the third pair. Seems like poor asset management. Im glad Nill didn't join the overpay fest, look what happened last time he did, we nearly lost our 1st for Kris Russell. So calm your god **** horses, trading for Vanek or Kane or any of the wingers traded yesterday wouldn't have pushed us over the edge.
 

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This past tdl everyone was overpaying big time. Every player traded yesterday could be considered a 2nd tier commodity. What would getting Hoffman or Patches get? 3 1st round picks? And McDonough in my mind is pretty overrated. He could have been a slight improvement over lindell but next year Heiskanen is coming in so would we push lindell then to the third pair. Seems like poor asset management. Im glad Nill didn't join the overpay fest, look what happened last time he did, we nearly lost our 1st for Kris Russell. So calm your god **** horses, trading for Vanek or Kane or any of the wingers traded yesterday wouldn't have pushed us over the edge.

McDonagh/Miller as well as Kane were both total bargains. Maroon and Vanek were both traded for a bag of hockey pucks.
 
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WhatWhat

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McDonagh in a Stars jersey, could've been fun. Wouldn't have even cost us Heiskanen. Oh well.

Really do not think this is the case. We dont have a forward prospect at Howdens level (Robertson is close but not quite there) and we do not have a D at Hajek's level.

They didnt give up Foote but their still gave up prospects that are much better than what we could have offered outside of Heiskanen. Tampa is in such a good spot and that why they could do that. They can move Howden and Hajek because they still have Foote, Raddysh, Katchook. So yeah they made a splash to grab an immediate piece for the next 2 seasons but they also still have very high end youth to fill gaps with ELC's for the next 3-5 years.

If we gave up a package with a value similar to what they gave up we would have literally no talent left to fill in the gaps. Our prospect pool isnt remotely close to as deep as Tampas so for us to work out a McD trade without Heiskanen in a way that would keep us competitive past the next 1.5 years would have been next to impossble
 

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Hajek and Howden are both pretty low ceiling guys, wouldn't have been hard to offer up a better deal while conserving Heiskanen.

Perhaps I'm biased, but I'd think Honka's value is still above Hajek's. Likewise I think Robertson, Gurianov, Tufte and Hintz are all of the same caliber as Howden (a man who many scouts consider to be a future third liner); though beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And of course, our picks are more valuable than Tampa's.

Of course I wouldn't want us to crush Tampa's offer. Like in any other negotiation, the goal is always to offer just enough for your counterpart to accept, but not so much as to bankrupt yourself. Being that deadline negotiations are often highly unstable and involve a lot of gamesmanship and half truths, it would have been quite hard to know exactly what Tampa was offering. And that's where I could sympathize with Nill. If we tried for McDonagh and failed, I would have been more understanding. But we didn't try. There were apparently 4 different teams to put in an offer for McDonagh, all of them from the eastern conference.
 

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Yeah, you are overrating Howden and Hajek, while undervalueing the Stars’ pool.

I don’t like to part ways with Honka, but I’d add him to a package of Robertson, Shore and two potential firsts in no time if it gets us a top blueliner and another young top six forward. Yzerman is a GM with cojones. He realises the window is now and acts on it. Not this half assed managing done by Nills. He’s made some outstanding deals in the past, but he should get a lot of critism for this years trade deadline. We lacked secondary scoring the entire season. He had months to act on it. Not to mention throwing away the entire 2016/2017 season.

Didn’t like Armstrong as a GM, but he always tried to fix things pretty rapidly, unlike Nill. This core (Klingberg, Benn, Seguin, Spezza) of us has been together for four years now and we might miss out on the playoffs for the 3rd time in those 4 tries. That’s inexcusable.
 

Troy McClure

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Yeah, you are overrating Howden and Hajek, while undervalueing the Stars’ pool.

I don’t like to part ways with Honka, but I’d add him to a package of Robertson, Shore and two potential firsts in no time if it gets us a top blueliner and another young top six forward. Yzerman is a GM with cojones. He realises the window is now and acts on it. Not this half assed managing done by Nills. He’s made some outstanding deals in the past, but he should get a lot of critism for this years trade deadline. We lacked secondary scoring the entire season. He had months to act on it. Not to mention throwing away the entire 2016/2017 season.

Didn’t like Armstrong as a GM, but he always tried to fix things pretty rapidly, unlike Nill. This core (Klingberg, Benn, Seguin, Spezza) of us has been together for four years now and we might miss out on the playoffs for the 3rd time in those 4 tries. That’s inexcusable.
This can't be stated enough. Bringing Kari/Niemi back was a stupid decision. No other moves he made that summer helped the team. Then when it was obvious the team was broken, he refused to fire Ruff.
 

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Hajek and Howden are both pretty low ceiling guys, wouldn't have been hard to offer up a better deal while conserving Heiskanen.

Perhaps I'm biased, but I'd think Honka's value is still above Hajek's. Likewise I think Robertson, Gurianov, Tufte and Hintz are all of the same caliber as Howden (a man who many scouts consider to be a future third liner); though beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And of course, our picks are more valuable than Tampa's.

Of course I wouldn't want us to crush Tampa's offer. Like in any other negotiation, the goal is always to offer just enough for your counterpart to accept, but not so much as to bankrupt yourself. Being that deadline negotiations are often highly unstable and involve a lot of gamesmanship and half truths, it would have been quite hard to know exactly what Tampa was offering. And that's where I could sympathize with Nill. If we tried for McDonagh and failed, I would have been more understanding. But we didn't try. There were apparently 4 different teams to put in an offer for McDonagh, all of them from the eastern conference.

Well obviously I would put Honka over Hajek but I was talking more from a prospect stand point. Also Howden is not a low ceiling guy and definitely looking like a better forward prospect than anyone in our org other than maybe Robertson.

They traded Hajek, Howden ,1st, conditional 2nd. Our equivalent to that to be competitive in value would have been Honka + Robertson + 2018st + 2019 2nd. That takes away our only forward prospect looking like he should be top 6 down the line and forces us into keeping Pateryn on the right side for the future. If you are willing to pay that price then sure say "we could of had him without giving up heiskanen." but for me that is a trade that cripples our ability to fill gaps with ELC and puts us into a rebuild by 2020
 

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Yeah, you are overrating Howden and Hajek, while undervalueing the Stars’ pool.

I don’t like to part ways with Honka, but I’d add him to a package of Robertson, Shore and two potential firsts in no time if it gets us a top blueliner and another young top six forward. Yzerman is a GM with cojones. He realises the window is now and acts on it. Not this half assed managing done by Nills. He’s made some outstanding deals in the past, but he should get a lot of critism for this years trade deadline. We lacked secondary scoring the entire season. He had months to act on it. Not to mention throwing away the entire 2016/2017 season.

Didn’t like Armstrong as a GM, but he always tried to fix things pretty rapidly, unlike Nill. This core (Klingberg, Benn, Seguin, Spezza) of us has been together for four years now and we might miss out on the playoffs for the 3rd time in those 4 tries. That’s inexcusable.


It doesnt tho. TB gave a better forward prospect or equal and Namestnikov is worth about 3 times Shore's value. An equivalent to the deal that got TB both Miller and McD would be Honka+Robertson +1st +1st + Janmark.
 

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