MessierII
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I don’t see it happening. Risto won’t be moved.Trade it for Risto. Lots of steam rn linking Oilers and Ristolainen.
I don’t see it happening. Risto won’t be moved.Trade it for Risto. Lots of steam rn linking Oilers and Ristolainen.
I honestly don't see the hype on Zadina. I'd take Kotkaniemi or Wahlstrom easily over Zadina. Some have Zadina neck and neck with Svechnikov... I don't see that at all.
He finds open space but he doesn’t create it. That’s what separates Sveshnikov for me. Sveshnikov creates offense on his own. Zadina will need some good playmakers finding him to produce.Watch how he finds open space
Which is why I think Carolina takes him. Zadina and Necas have insane chemistry and they already have 1. Picking Zadina at 2 isn't a massive reach, especially when you have guaranteed chemistry.He finds open space but he doesn’t create it. That’s what separates Sveshnikov for me. Sveshnikov creates offense on his own. Zadina will need some good playmakers finding him to produce.
That’s true but I still don’t see it. Who’s to say Sveshnikov can’t develop chemistry with someone in a couple of months?Which is why I think Carolina takes him. Zadina and Necas have insane chemistry and they already have 1. Picking Zadina at 2 isn't a massive reach, especially when you have guaranteed chemistry.
No one. The thing is they are very close with a slight edge to Svechnikov. So put into the fact that there is instant chemistry you know about that may be enough to go with him instead.That’s true but I still don’t see it. Who’s to say Sveshnikov can’t develop chemistry with someone in a couple of months?
Is it a slight edge anymore though? Maybe a few months ago. I’m not sure it’s slight anymore I think it’s just a straight up edge.The thing is they are very close with a slight edge to Svechnikov.
He finds open space but he doesn’t create it. That’s what separates Sveshnikov for me. Sveshnikov creates offense on his own. Zadina will need some good playmakers finding him to produce.
Svechnikov has 40 goals in 44 games, or 0.91 goals per game in the OHL. 5 goals in 7 playoff games for 0.71.
Zadina has 44 goals in 57 games, or 0.77 goals per game in the Q.
The Q is a more offensive league and easier to score in, and yet the supposed 'superior sniper' Zadina has significantly worse goal scoring numbers. If you want to expand it to overall points, Svech still wins. (72 pts in 44 for 1.63 vs 82 pts in 57 for 1.44). The only reason people are so in love with Zadina IMO is he prefers to get open for one-timer shots more, and he had a great world jrs. I'll be shocked if Carolina passes on Svech for pre-existing jrs chemistry.
Sveshnikov with his size and nose for the net in tight reminds me more of Matthews than Gally or Yak. I think you could throw him on any 3rd line in the nhl next year and he’d still manage over 20 goals.The question is whether Svechnikov will be good enough to do it at the NHL level. We've seen guys like Yakupov and Galchenyuk have a similar skillset to Svechnikov bust. I dont think theres any question Zadina will score goals at the NHL level, given how good the passers are.
How did they look at the WJC's? How did Yakupov look at the WJC's in his draft year?
Is the Q that much of a higher scoring league? The OHL had a team at 317 and 297 goals (Svechnikov Colts)Svechnikov has 40 goals in 44 games, or 0.91 goals per game in the OHL. 5 goals in 7 playoff games for 0.71.
Zadina has 44 goals in 57 games, or 0.77 goals per game in the Q.
The Q is a more offensive league and easier to score in, and yet the supposed 'superior sniper' Zadina has significantly worse goal scoring numbers. If you want to expand it to overall points, Svech still wins. (72 pts in 44 for 1.63 vs 82 pts in 57 for 1.44). The only reason people are so in love with Zadina IMO is he prefers to get open for one-timer shots more, and he had a great world jrs. I'll be shocked if Carolina passes on Svech for pre-existing jrs chemistry.
Yakupov looked great to me at the world jrs. So did Svech, and I don't think Zadina looked as insanely good as some people think. I also think Zadina's shot is overrated. Svech rips it just as well.
Plus I can't believe someone who watches prospects as much as you is citing the world jrs as a primary method of prospect evaluation.
Is the Q that much of a higher scoring league? The OHL had a team at 317 and 297 goals (Svechnikov Colts)
The highest scoring team in the q had 277
Sveshnikov with his size and nose for the net in tight reminds me more of Matthews than Gally or Yak. I think you could throw him on any 3rd line in the nhl next year and he’d still manage over 20 goals.
Jesse Pulijaarvi ripped up the world juniors and is still finding his game in his draft +2 year. Now I still think Jesse will become a good player but he’ll never be a ppg star scorer in the nhl.Its a higher level of competition. Guys who rip up the WJC's in their draft year usually do well in the NHL.
Its a higher level of competition. Guys who rip up the WJC's in their draft year usually do well in the NHL.
Jesse Pulijaarvi ripped up the world juniors and is still finding his game in his draft +2 year. Now I still think Jesse will become a good player but he’ll never be a ppg star scorer in the nhl.
It's also an insanely short period of games. Yamamoto had a garbage world jr's this year. Dylan Strome has had some pretty amazing ones and been awful. Tolvanen was bad this year and then went back to the KHL to tear it up again. I don't have the time to go back but it's not very hard to find plenty of prospects who do well and then fail to go on to do much, or do poorly and then develop well.
I will grant you that flipping through the all-star team selections over the years is a pretty reliable list of decent NHL players.
Plus if the World Jrs is so important, @RaabHart , then your boy Hughes definitely doesn't look great
3 points in 7 games aint bad for a dman. Id be worried if he didnt get on the stat sheet. Svechnikov only had 5 assists in 5 games as an offensive catalyst. Youd think for a scoring winger he could have potted at least one.
Look at the two guys he played with on that line and how theyre doing now. Maybe they had something to do with his great stats? In saying that he did look great at the tournament, and obviously not every player turns out. But Id say more guys who score well at the WJC's in their draft year turn out, then not.