Discussion in 'NHL Draft - Prospects' started by rt, May 29, 2006.
The "Q", the "Dub" or the OHL?
For sure it's the QMJHL, then the OHL and finally the WHL.
OHL ... 5080 goals, 68-game season, 20 teams = 7.471 GPG
QMJHL ... 4669 goals, 70-game season, 18 teams = 7.411 GPG
WHL ... 4195 goals, 72-game season, 20 teams = 5.826 GPG
Any reason for the differences? Why is the WHL more low scoring?
Gotta love when people respond without checking the real numbers.
Because they play harder...not effortwise, but like toughness. Its a lot more grind and grit in the WHL. Players like Gilbert Brule excel in that, however players who don't go into traffic and play super soft normally don't become much of anything. Of course there are always a few of these type of players in the Q, more in the O, but the majority of players along these lines are from the West. "Sutter" players are all over the Dub.
The WHL not adopting the no tolerance obstruction rules is the biggest difference.
I kind of agree. I remember watching the first match up between Quebec and Moncton in the 06 Memorial Cup and there wasn't much hitting or fighting.
Vancouver vs Peterborough on the other hand was completely different. All of the Vancouver players were finishing their checks which caused the Peterborough players to start hitting too. I remember some big fights too.
Skill and grit beat toughness and fighting...
From the games I have seen, there was a lot more clutching and grabbing in the WHL then the other 2 leagues.
Impressed with the "Q" teams this year...
as in past years the Q teams were:
- had generally only 1 go to line of horses
- relied on goaltending too much
- team defense was a new discovery
This years teams had:
- a good mix of upper end skill & speed with balance of grit throughout their lineups
- team defense was well coached on both teams - not having to think about it,
- good size on both Q teams
Keep it up Q, Canadian hockey just gets deeper and better.
I like the Canadian national anthem when it is done billingual.
If I got a dime for every person who's posted a blatant and fact-free misconception about the Q on HF, I could buy a Q expansion team.
Fact is the Q has been just as strong a league as the other 2 for quite some time now.
I would argue since about 1996 or so. Since then the Q has either won the Memorial Cup or been in the finals every year except 1998 and 1999. That's a way, way better rate than the O or W.
Steve Bernier is a perfect example of a player who dispels the myth of the Q in recent years.A player who broke into the league with tremendous offensive talent at a young age but was taught to be more defensive and a better 2 way player. So far he has had a tremendous start to his NHL career and fits into the game on the physical gritty level very well.
Another real gritty 2 way prospect/player from the Q is Maxime Talbot.I think he will be a great "traditional" style 2 way player in the league.
Yeah, for some reason the WHL actually wants to be low scoring and stifle offensive creativity. If they don't adjust their rules, eventually scouts will have to assess if WHL prospects will be able to adjust to the pro game AND the pro rules.
You can't judge a league by own it fairs in the Memorial cup. That's just not a big enough sample of games.