Which is a worse trade: The Sergachev trade or the Subban trade?

Which is the worst trade, the Sergachev trade or the Subban trade?


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DAChampion

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These are Bergevin's two biggest moves, when he discarded Subban for Weber, and when he discarded Sergachev for Drouin.

Both are similar in that:
- They are superficially "win-now" moves to acquire players incorrectly believed to be better in the short-term.
- The trades substantially improved the other teams for years to come. Both Nashville and Tampa Bay are vastly superior teams now, both are legitimate contenders.
- Both Sergachev and Subban likely have multiple Norris nominations to come, whereas Weber will likely never be a Norris finalist, and Drouin will never be an Art Ross candidate.
- Both Sergachev and Subban would be perfect top-pairing complements to Ryan McDonagh.
- They are losses even if you re-arrange the trade. I'd take Subban over either Drouin or Weber, likewise I'd take Sergachev over either Drouin or Weber.
- The trades created victims of the incoming players. Weber and Drouin will never live up the expectations that these trades created as they simply do not have the talent to do so. It's not their fault.

Personally I'm not sure which trade is worse. I'm open to suggestions and to argumentation.
 
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Pat Riot

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Sergachev is a good hockey player but just that a good hockey player just like Weber.

Subban was much more than just an hockey player for our city.

Subban trade hands down was the worst I witnessed in a long time when you take everything in consideration.

Plus dont kid yourself, CJ and MB would have found a way to break Sergachev. His development would have been abysmal with us
 

Miller Time

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The PK/Weber trade was a worse trade at the moment it was made. An obvious mistake and has little chance of working out in our favour right from the outset.

The Drouin/Sergachev deal was more reasonable in the moment... though it has a very good shot at being just as bad or worse in hindsight.

We can only hope that he doesn't get the opportunity to set the frschidr back any further.
 

NotProkofievian

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Looking like it's going to be Sergachev - Drouin. Speaking strategically it was just a non-sense move given what was to come. Our team is not better than it was last year, and we paid Sergachev to accomplish that. Value for value it was fair at the time (and on its own), but the effects of it will be more disastrous than the Subban - Weber trade.
 

muzion

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Win-now moves should only be made if you are one piece away from being a contender. We were never in that position thus they both are bad trades. Those avdocating that we should trade young players and futures for immediate help are wrong, as it would get us even further from a Stanley Cup.

We could easily have had Subban, Sergachev, Girard, and Mete in our lineup. Now we're stuck with only the worst of the four. Good job Bergevin.
 
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Sterling Archer

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If anyone thinks Sergachev would have nearly the number of points on this Habs team as he has in Tampa, you seriously have some issues.

Tampa is a powerhouse. Habs are flatlining.

Weber has been arguably our best and most consistent player since coming here. Scratch that, he HAS been our best and most consistent player since coming here.
 
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ArtPeur

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I believe both are bad.. but I can understand some people that might say Weber is better in some aspects of the game than Subban (while Subban is better in other areas). So I'm inclined to say that Subban/Weber is more a lateral move than anything else. That trade would look less bad if the Habs defense wasn't this bad. What I really hate about this trade is that Subban was a fan favorite and I was a fan too.

I really hate the Drouin/Sergachev trade. The Habs brass and the French Media tried to make us believe that Drouin was the next Guy Lafleur or a new franchise face that would be likable. I didn't believe any of those when the trade was made. What I could remember is that Drouin was a "problem case" in Tampa and was asking too much money/term that Yzerman couldn't afford. See Kucherov, he signed for less so that his team could stay more competitive. There was also the case when Drouin didn't report to the team because he would not play on the Top-6. You're a rookie, who are you to decide where you're going to play? If such a player would say the same thing here in Montreal, he would be crucified by the media. Add the fact that they also tried to make us believe he could be our new #1 center. I was reading someone commenting on rds.ca that Drouin had some of the best points/60min on the team and he wasn't playing enough every night so he couldn't get more points. That may be true.. but Drouin isn't an elite player imo but he has elite skills. Elite players are players like McDavid, Crosby, Malkin and such. They will play in all situations and even start in the defensive zone. Drouin's line still needs to be sheltered and he will never play on the PK.

Sergachev should have been traded for a real elite #1 center but we only got a top-6 winger in the process.
 

Milhouse40

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Both equally bad.

Subban shouldve got a lot more than an aging Weber.

Hard to project what the return for Sergahev would have been without him playing in the NHL, but getting a winger is terrible since it was the last thing we needed.
 
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sandviper

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I will preface this comment with the opinion that Weber has been our best defenseman by a mile and arguably one of our top-3 best players since last year. Drouin has been our best forward offensively, even though the points may not reflect that.

That said, I chose the PK trade because of a few factors. From a pure marketing standpoint, he put people in the seats and I don’t know how his jersey sold, but I am sure it was right up there. He was polarizing, both on and off the ice, but this is no different from all the TOP athletes in any sport.

From a hockey standpoint, his defensive play was underrated and perhaps hurt because he WAS the go-to guy in Montreal and had to be that offensive spark on the blue line. Got to take the good with the bad and while he made a lot of mistakes, he also did a lot of good.

I am not questioning Weber is a high-end player but to me, of the types of players to find, looking for a shut down defenseman is the easiest. I am not exactly saying it IS easy, but compared to a #1C or top-3 PMDs, it is the easiest to find. We never replaced Subban’s creativity on the backend and it shows.

The issue with all the moves MB has made last couple years is that it amplifies the trade with PK and Weber. That sort of trade isn’t a trade for developing into a contender in 5-years. It is a trade to be competitive and win FOR 5-years. Year 2 after the trade now, and this is where we are.

This is not Weber’s fault by any stretch, but this trade gets attention because it is the biggest in MB’s tenure and because of other moves (and non-moves), this trade stands out.
 

Jakomyte

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Subban for Weber. Clearly awful. There's no angle you can look at where Subban isn't better and/or more valuable on or off the ice unless you bend over backwards to talk about 'leadership' and 'grit'.

Drouin for Sergachev I can still understand. Habs were struggling to score last season and we needed to inject some high end skill. The problem was that Bergevin followed up by losing Radulov and Markov, then Julien pushed him to play centre. So the team basically took one step forward, two steps back on their offence instead of giving it a boost, AND they aren't putting Drouin in the best position to succeed.
 

Mrb1p

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Drouin is the worst of the four, Sergachev is much younger. We basically got a weber Pk on steroid with this trade.

Wether you think Subban is better than Weber or not, at least we got a player of a similar caliber at the same position, with Drouin we got a 50 points PP specialist soft as butter, lazy as Samsonov, winger for a potential 1D that is currently outpacing everyone on this team in scoriny at 20 years old. Its even worse because of everythig around it, we got a winger the only thing we didnt need and we somehow lost Radulov because Bergevin thought he replaced him. Bad, bad, bad.
 

googlymoogly

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I believe the Sergachev trade is the worse as it depleted the Habs Defense depth badly. Bergevin who couldn't get scoring for this team suddenly depleted our defense to match our forward position which was abysmal. Molson needs to do like Toronto and hire a pro to run the organization. Molson can't literally see what MB has done to destroy a competitive team. Habs used to be the best development team in the NHL now they even destroy talented players abilities to reach full potential.

The only bright spot left for D is Juulson and can barely name any forwards for our future team. The defense is ridiculously bad but what do you expect when three Dmen leave in one year, you can't expect to replace half your core smoothly except maybe Bergevin thinks it's doable. Try replacing half your forwards in a year and the same would happen.
 

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I still like the trade. The Sergachev for Drouin part. Not the added second round pick that may or may not happen, or the franchise bleeding defenceman, but I still like Drouin a lot. I just think he's been used completely wrong.

The Subban trade broke my heart in a way nobody had since Milbury destroyed my Islanders. Especially since it had nothing to do with hockey and everything to do with ego. Bergevin fought him on his first contract extension, fought him on his second, the owner stepped in, and all it took was one misunderstood statement and a slip against Colorado (which was really Pacioretty's fault) to give Bergevin the okay to trade Subban the last day he could. And he did it for a guy I would talk about how his value was inflated compared to his actual worth. King's Ransom.
 

Whitesnake

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Both equally bad for various reasons. You actually destroy what a defesive squad should be all about in this day and age. And you replace it with a much older d-man and a guy you put in a position he's not at ease to play in. And you give those 2 guys to 2 of the most dominant teams for surely years to come, just to be sure that you will indeed look awful if you don't perform yourselves. And then you remove the heart of this team. At least for the fans. But also for the team with PK. For a financial standpoint, I'd say that people will move away from this team because of it surely because there's a lack of performance attached to it. When the team made this deal, it HAD to come with being better than what we were. Everything else would be seen as a failure....as good as Weber is. If he is not making a difference. If he doesn't make players around him better. If the team doesn't perform, the deal will be seen as an awful one.

For Sergachev, the main problem is that he was the replacement for Markov. You lose Markov, you get Sergachev, on D, your replacements are Mete, Juulsen and Lernout. I'm sorry. But that's awful for any team who is at the point we are now. Both Juulsen and Lernout might have as potential #5 or #6. While Mete could be a top 4 but still, his real offensive potential still needed to be determined. Clearly he doesn't have the flair that Sergachev has. So you gave a #1-#2 potential for a top 6 potential on the wings.....to play him on C. And yet, even if you'd put him on tohe wings, we'd have no C adequate C to play him with. It,s a recipe for disaster.

As of now, it's 2 awful deals that despite the Weber and Drouin performances, will be seen as awful. Yes, not as awful as the Gomez one as Gomez ended up being a bad player real soon after his acquisition for a d-man who would be a top d-man in the league. And yet....people drooled over what McDonagh was going to be......just watch what Sergachev will end up being....

Those 2 trades alone should get Bergevin fired. But not in Montreal, where stability rhymes with mediocrity.
 

googlymoogly

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Subban for Weber is probably still the most puzzling trade I've ever seen as a hockey fan since 09. I thought I was being trolled when I got told. How can Montreal trade someone that beneficial to the city of Montreal just because of "character issues"? Still puzzles me to this day.
The Gomez trade was worse,you could see that NY was dumping an overpriced contract, to do so it was the Rangers that needed to pay the price not Montreal for taking Gomez.
 

jfm133

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Bipolar fans at it once again. None of the trades is awful. If you think Sergachev would have the same stats in Montréal this year you are dreaming. The problem of this team is not Weber or Drouin. It's the stupid contract given to the goalie.
 
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