Wheeler's Next contract

[BigZ65]

Paying a high salary for a longer term to an older player is how teams get into cap hell.

I don’t think we’ll see a deal over 5 years for a player Wheeler’s age. It will be a Ladd-type nightmare in no time.

I agree in general but don't really see the comparison. Wheeler has been on a steady upward trajectory while Ladd was clearly declining into free agency with a chronic injury he never recovered from. Wheeler could easily have several years as a top 5-top 10 RW in the league after his UFA.

 

[Bob E]

I agree in general but don't really see the comparison. Wheeler has been on a steady upward trajectory while Ladd was clearly declining into free agency with a chronic injury he never recovered from. Wheeler could easily have several years as a top 5-top 10 RW in the league after his UFA.

Or his decline can start next year and fall constantly for the next 5 years. There are many more examples of players declining in their mid-30’s than maintaining a high level of play.

 

[bustamente]

5 years fill in the amount starting at 6.5 m.

 

[PhilJets]

Even if he wanted tot ake that the players association wouldn't let him.

It depends> why not, he is in mid 30's already. It's not like he is going to his prime years. Though he is top winger this year. It doesn't mean he will be in 2 - 3 years. 4M/yr is still a big contract for middle 30 years old player.

But I'm just dreaming anyways

 

[204hockey]

5x6.5 with a job offer with the org after he retires or 4x5 and a nice bitcoin resume that is untraceable

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Unless it's a hometown discount, I doubt he gets the money he wants. We gotta worry about Laine first before we look at Wheeler, but we'd might have to make some trades in order to make it work.

But could Wheeler get a signing bonus in order for it to work on top of say, if each year were to be averages $5M a year, then he got an extra $9M on each of the years that weren't on the cap? I know Chicago did it with Kane and Toews.

 

[BB88]

Laine contract isn't the biggest challenge for Chevy, it's this one.

Atleast with Laine if you pay the max you'll buy his prime years, but Wheeler is 33y when this contract kicks in, it has to be a short term deal.

 

[10Ducky10]

Unless it's a hometown discount, I doubt he gets the money he wants. We gotta worry about Laine first before we look at Wheeler, but we'd might have to make some trades in order to make it work.

But could Wheeler get a signing bonus in order for it to work on top of say, if each year were to be averages $5M a year, then he got an extra $9M on each of the years that weren't on the cap? I know Chicago did it with Kane and Toews.

Signing bonuses apply to the cap and they did nothing of the sort, because they can't.

 

[Peggy]

well laine is taking no less than 10 million cuz mcdavid and eichels contract says so

trouba is signing for 8 million because market value says so

so there's no room for wheeler

 

[Vekke]

I would be extremely cautios with this one. He hit the jackpot this season but fact is that he is not getting any younger. Little and Wheeler deals could destroy this team capwise.

 

[10Ducky10]

I would be extremely cautios with this one. He hit the jackpot this season but fact is that he is not getting any younger. Little and Wheeler deals could destroy this team capwise.

Not sure what you mean by this but he has been the best RWer in the league next to P Kane for the last 5 or so years.
If traded this summer (re-signed), I would say that he would bring back a VERY good prospect, a roster player, and two 1st rounders.

 

[winnipegger]

4 year deal then Scheif takes over. I'd rather Scheif take over sooner but I think Maurice really likes Wheeler and that matters.

 

[Eyeseeing]

well laine is taking no less than 10 million cuz mcdavid and eichels contract says so

trouba is signing for 8 million because market value says so

so there's no room for wheeler

I doubt Trouba will be here.
I think Laine will sign for 8.5-9.0
Wheeler will be interesting...he’ll want term of 6 years....but at what cost?

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

well laine is taking no less than 10 million cuz mcdavid and eichels contract says so

trouba is signing for 8 million because market value says so

so there's no room for wheeler

Well Laine is a RFA, there is no logic to say he has to get 10m. What are Laine's options as a UFA, if he doesn't get offered 10m as you suggest? Not saying Jets might offering that much, it's just they don't have to. Trouba isn't a top 10 Dman, how does he get 8m as a RFA?
Wheeler's age will work against getting a great contract or maybe even a long term contract.

 

[kelsier]

If they keep Wheelers, the contract has a significant impact on the future of this team and is entirely bind to Blake's performance. If the contract is something like 7m x <5-6> and he starts to decline either next year or the year after, we could be looking at a disaster due to resigning of Little who has already started to show some signs of decline. That would mean 12m for the two and considering the upcoming talents who need to be signed as well, they would be in some serious trouble keeping all that talent together. It's a risky business. You would want to keep Wheelers cause you'd think he still has a couple of good years ahead of him but at the same time on the flop side of the coin, where to find the $ to sign Laine, Roslovic, Connor, (maybe) Trouba, Morrisey, potentially Vesalainen and others? Chevy certainly has some homework to do here.

Not a knock on Little but it's almost a pity that his contract ended when it did rather than Wheelers' and Little having the exact same expiry date, cause then you'd have the possibility to pick the other and there's no question who that would be.

 

[DonM]

Even if he wanted tot ake that the players association wouldn't let him.

Obviously he wouldn't take that deal, but I doubt the PA can stop a player from accepting a contract.

 

[Peggy]

Well Laine is a RFA, there is no logic to say he has to get 10m. What are Laine's options as a UFA, if he doesn't get offered 10m as you suggest? Not saying Jets might offering that much, it's just they don't have to. Trouba isn't a top 10 Dman, how does he get 8m as a RFA?
Wheeler's age will work against getting a great contract or maybe even a long term contract.

im just being an ass at this point

last year Winnipeg boards were telling me that Winnipeg should just give trouba 8 million to keep him

I don't think laine is worth 10 million, imo no olayer besides mcdavid is worth 10m under salary cap, but again the boards seem to have a problem with my thought process that laine is not gonna sign for that much

I wouldn't mind laine signing for 6 years to keep his salary cap down

also wouldn't mind wheeler singing 6 either, but he can't expect anything more than 7 m at this point
5 years at most would be ideal tbh

I doubt Trouba will be here.
I think Laine will sign for 8.5-9.0
Wheeler will be interesting...he’ll want term of 6 years....but at what cost?

trouba doesn't want to be a apart of a Stanley cup contender?

 

[KingBogo]

Unless it's a hometown discount, I doubt he gets the money he wants. We gotta worry about Laine first before we look at Wheeler, but we'd might have to make some trades in order to make it work.

But could Wheeler get a signing bonus in order for it to work on top of say, if each year were to be averages $5M a year, then he got an extra $9M on each of the years that weren't on the cap? I know Chicago did it with Kane and Toews.

Signing bonuses are counted as part of the AAV and count against the cap.

 

[KingBogo]

well laine is taking no less than 10 million cuz mcdavid and eichels contract says so

trouba is signing for 8 million because market value says so

so there's no room for wheeler

I think you have both of those deals a bit high. Not saying it won't be real tight but we have Chevy negotiating the deals not Chiarelli.

 

[Eyeseeing]

im just being an ass at this point

last year Winnipeg boards were telling me that Winnipeg should just give trouba 8 million to keep him

I don't think laine is worth 10 million, imo no olayer besides mcdavid is worth 10m under salary cap, but again the boards seem to have a problem with my thought process that laine is not gonna sign for that much

I wouldn't mind laine signing for 6 years to keep his salary cap down

also wouldn't mind wheeler singing 6 either, but he can't expect anything more than 7 m at this point
5 years at most would be ideal tbh




trouba doesn't want to be a apart of a Stanley cup contender?

I really don’t think he wants to be here regardless truthfully....
Just a gut ....no proof behind it.

 

[Gm0ney]

Even if he wanted tot ake that the players association wouldn't let him.

The PA can't forbid any player from accepting any deal. They can frown on it and complain - but even then, with the way salaries are tied to revenues, if Blake Wheeler takes a discount that's money that ends up in the hands of another player...so why would they complain?

 

[KingBogo]

I really don’t think he wants to be here regardless truthfully....
Just a gut ....no proof behind it.

I think we find out this summer if Trouba really wants to be here or not, but I think he ultimately signs something middle of the road on the doorstep of the arb hearing. I'm expecting a 4-5 year deal at approx $6M. I also believe Wheeler gets something middle of the road and less than he would get on the open market. I'd also expect Chevy to bridge a couple of the RFA's starting with Morressy to try and keep this group together for a couple more years. Laine needs to be signed long term just because of how special he is. Keeping NMC in check will be the key IMO as at some point Chevy will have to move out some salary.

 

[Sperss1997]

Wheeler 5 x 6.5 (at most)

If Laine wants 10m - let him go
If Trouba wants more than 8 mio - let him go, unless cap is going up.

You cant pay Laine 10 when Scheif gets 6.1.
Because other franchises makes redicilous contracts doesnt mean we should!
It will also hurt other signing possibilities as well. My guess is Laine signs for 8 x 8

 

[Gm0ney]

I don't think the Jets will have anywhere near $6M or $7M to throw at Wheeler in two years. Assuming a salary cap of $83M in 2019-20, no buyouts or retained salary on the books, and no bonus cushion penalties from the previous year...if the Jets re-sign Morrissey, Trouba, Hellebuyck, Lowry, Connor and Laine to reasonable deals and then fill some empty slots with cheap ELCs (Roslo, Niku, Appleton, Vesalainen, maybe Green or Stanley) and league-minimum players, they'll have maybe $5M in space to hand to Wheeler...(and they'd have bonus penalties for 2020-21 probably).

 

[Peggy]

I think you have both of those deals a bit high. Not saying it won't be real tight but we have Chevy negotiating the deals not Chiarelli.

I really don't think that. like I said I was just being an ass about a previous thread and last year about troubas contract.

I think we find out this summer if Trouba really wants to be here or not, but I think he ultimately signs something middle of the road on the doorstep of the arb hearing. I'm expecting a 4-5 year deal at approx $6M. I also believe Wheeler gets something middle of the road and less than he would get on the open market. I'd also expect Chevy to bridge a couple of the RFA's starting with Morressy to try and keep this group together for a couple more years. Laine needs to be signed long term just because of how special he is. Keeping NMC in check will be the key IMO as at some point Chevy will have to move out some salary.

I can dig this

trouba for 6m would be nice. don't care if it was for only 4 years

I see jets window for a cup starting now til scheifele's contract is up
and then we'll see what happens after that
but I think the jets best years could be in the next 2 to 4 years

so I really wouldn't mind some of these guys for shorter contracts so they can fit all these players under the cap