Discussion in 'The History of Hockey' started by Allen Degenerate, Sep 2, 2006.
Pretty self explanatory. What single trade turned out to be the worst?
I'd say Chicago sending Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge and Fred Stanfield to Boston in exchange for Pit Martin, Gilles Marotte and Jack Norris.
From reading the newspaper accounts (HN, others) the Blackhawks were frustrated by inconsistency of some of their mid-20s players in the spring of 1966 and 1967 (Esposito and Doug Jarrett specifically). They had Stan Mikita as the anchor at center on one of their two scoring (Scooter) lines with Doug Mohns and Kenny Wharram, and then Esposito was on a line with Bobby Hull and Chico Maki.
Billy Reay wanted a guy who worked hard every shift and had some skill. Pit Martin was the guy. Hawks also wanted to improve on the blueline and Marotte was highly thought of in the NHL (several articles said so, one in a Hockey Magazine I own somewhere actually profiled Marotte with Orr as the two great hopes for Boston on defense).
Bruins wanted size and Esposito had it. Hodge was young and they clearly didn't know what they had, Stanfield pretty much the same thing.
Chicago was an interesting organization at the time. At the 1967 draft they had fewer good players than any of the other 5 established teams and lost much less in the draft. The trade above ripped them apart in all kinds of ways.
But they recovered incredibly. Hawks drafted Tony Esposito off the Montreal roster, they graduated several of their college kids (Keith Magnuson, Cliff Koroll, others) and they even overcame things like Kenny Wharram's heart attack and were one of four Cup-worthy teams by early 70s (Bruins, Habs, Rangers, Hawks).
Billy Ivan had a terrible day in June 1967 when he made the deal, but made some exceptional moves to cover the error. Boston GM Milt Schmidt made a deal that secured the future for the Bruins and then walked into the draft and gave away Bernie Parent.
Ted "Teeder" Kennedy: Rights traded to Toronto by Montreal for the rights to Frank Eddolls, September 10, 1943.
Dominik Hasek: traded to BUF by CHI for Stephane Beauregard and future considerations.
How about the Jets trading Draper for a dollar? That they never got.
As a Canuck fan, the Cam Neely deal stings.
A couple of other notables, that haven't been mentioned are Marcel Dionne and Bart Crashley for Terry Harper and Dan Maloney or an in his prime Adam Oates and Paul Maclean for Tony McKegney and Bernie Federko.
A more recent trade that is looking pretty bad is Roberto Luongo and Olli Jokinen for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.
No doubt in my mind.
Boston drafts this young goalie and then his rights (along with another Boston pick, Alex Campbell) are traded to Montreal by Boston for Guy Allen and Paul Reid on June 28,1964.
Guy Allen spent four years in the minors and hung 'em up.
Paul Reid never turned pro.
Alex Campbell spent one year in minor pro.
And the goalie????? Well he had an okay NHL career. You may of heard of Ken Dryden - a couple of Stanley Cups, Vezinas, etc. Hockey hall of Fame.
That was the worst I can recall and it is closley followed by the Canucks trading Alex Stojanov to the Penguins for Markus Naslund in 1996. Stojanov would "play" parts of 2 seasons (45 games total) in Pittsburgh racking up 2 goals and 4 assists and ending up playing for the New Mexico Scorpions.
Naslund has clocked 310 goals and 370 assists in a canucks' uni over 834 games.
For those who bemoan the Neely trade - you were likely not around at the time.
The Neely/Pederson trade looked pretty good for the Canucks for the first while. Although it is now viewed as a bad trade, it was quite well received at the time. Fans phoned in to sports radio talk shows saying that the Canucks gained valuable veteran goal scoring, and that the Canucks had actually won in the trade.
As a Canuck Neely in 1983-84 had scored 16 goals, 15 assists for 31 points in 56 games. In 1984-85 in 72 games, he scored 21 goals and 18 assists for 39 points and in the 1985-86 season Neely scored 14 goals and 20 assists, for 34 points. His progress appeared stalled to Canuck management.
Pederson had been a 100 point player with the Bruins in two seasons (1982-83 and 1983-84) before losing the 1984-85 season mostly to injury He had put up 76 point season in 1985-86 coming back from the injury.
With the Canucks he scored 76 points in 1986-87 and 71 points in 1987-88 before slipping to 41 points in 1988-89 before being trade to the Pens in 1989-90 Tony Tanti and Rod Buskas for Dan Quinn, Andrew McBain and Dave Capuano by Pat Quinn. He would never again score 30 points in the NHL.
Neely played well for the Bruins in his first few years. In his first year in Boston the 1986/87 season, Neely began to blossom scoring 36 goals for 72 points in 75 games but scored fewer points than Pederson's 76. However he became the proto-typical power forward scoring 50 goals in 89/90, 90/91 and 93/94 (in only 49 games). In 1989 Pederson was gone from Vancouver.
The trade was Neely and a first rounder (which became Glen Wesley who in turn became Kyle McLaren and Sergei Samsonov and McLaren became Jeff Hackett and Jeff Jillson). Some people in Vancouver have referred to this trade as the "trade that keeps on giving to the Bruins."
This was the first deal that came into my head when I read this topic.
I also consider SJ trading Kiprusoff to Calgary for a 2nd round choice (who became Marc-Edouard Vlasic). Although Vlasic has yet to play in the NHL and has decent potential (HF gives him a 7.5B and a fair scouting report), the trade will be severely in Calgary's favor unless he becomes a Norris-caliber defenseman at some point in his career.
Gilmour, Macoun, Natress, Wamsley and Manderville for nothing was a horrible trade at the time and only got worse as time went on.
Before anyone says it: NOT the Lindros/Forsberg trade.
But Beauregard turned into Christian Ruuttu (then Murray Craven, then the illustrious Petri Varis), and the FCs was the pick that became Eric Daze. Not a complete loss.
Gotta mention Alexei Yashin for Zdeno Chara and Jason Spezza (It was a pick, but at the time, everyone knew the 2nd overall pick would be Spezza.)
An unsung one: At the 1993 draft 2nd overall for 6th and 58th picks. Chris Pronger for Victor Kozlov and Ville Peltonen.
The Hasek trade, Espo trade, Naslund, and Dryden trades are all ridiculous.
doug gilmour for gary leeman wasn't bad
How is that a horribly lopsided trade?! Kipper was a third string goalie who was traded for a second round pick. If Kipper had still had put up SJ Shark numbers like the 3+ GAA and .890 Save% while playing in Calgary, SJ makes out like bandits. It wasn't like Kipper was playing amazing and the Sharks traded away a great player, they traded someone who couldn't get out of the press box.
Besides, how can you fully look at the trade until Vlasic is up in the NHL, who knows, within 5 years Kipper could be out of the NHL and Vlasic could be putting up Norris caliber numbers, or within 2 years kipper could have won two more vezina's and Vlasic's could end up being a player who can't crack an NHL lineup. I think we need to wait and see before we fully judge the value of the trade.
Given Hasek then got a bunch of Vezinas and a Hart in Buffalo that has to rank right up there at the top!
Isles defenseman Bob Lorimer and a spare part minor leaguer to the NJ Devils in the summer of '81 for the #3 overall pick in the 1983 draft. Allowed the then four-time defending Cup champs to draft Pat Lafontaine. The rich getting richer.
Ken Hodge for Rick Middleton is up there, IMO. Hodge disappeared from sight within a year or two, while Middleton went on to put up a decade's worth of stellar play for the Bs.
Uh, very misleading of you.
Us Sharks fans KNEW the Kipper (yes, we called him the Kipper) was great. He was phenomenal in stoning the Blues in a long hard-fought playoff round that ended in a Blues win on mostly 1-0 games because the Sharks couldn't help out offensively the one player who was a three-star selection in every game of that series: Kiprusoff. Non-Sharks fan missed that demonstration of excellence, Calgary's scouting department obviously didn't.
It was common knowledge around the league that San Jose was deep in talent in net; there were even several news stories profiling that fact.
Jedi Ron Wilson sounds more like Jabba the Hut.
Going with the homer trade:
Rangers send Bernie Nicholls, Steven Rice, David Shaw, and Louie DeBrusk to Edmonton in exchange for Mark Messier and Jeff Beukeboom.
I'll just bleed out now, thankyou.
One of Milbury's Many Gems:
The Canucks Trevor Linden for Todd Bertuzzi, Brian McCabe and a Third Round Pick which was used to Draft Jarrko Ruutu.
Former Leaf draft picks have been used to select Roberto Luongo and Scott Niedermayer.
Was it REALLY worth it to bring Wendel Clark back?
Yeah... What kind of GM pulls the trigger on that?
Funny yous hold say "us sharks fans" when I've seen JRW (aka dpetri2000) around teh Sharks forum more than I've seen you.
And yeah, we knew Kipper had it in him to be great, but I don't think anybody expected this out of him.
Kipper had two years in SJ where he played more than 20 games:
01-02: 20 gp, 7-6-3, 2.48 GAA, 0.915 sv%, 2 SO
02-03: 22 gp, 5-14-9, 3.25 GAA, 0.879 sv%, 1 SO
02-03 was the year he had to seize the starting job during Nabby's holdout. He didn't exactly inspire confidence there.
Besides, everyone knows the story now, Sutter called the Sharks for a goalie and gave SJ management the option of keeping Kiprusoff or keeping Toskala. In hindsight it may seem stupid to have dealt Kiprusoff, but the fact that the Sharks felt confident holding onto Toskala then shows that they weren't expecting the Calgary Kipper to emerge.
And back then getting a 2nd back for Kipper was hailed as a great deal for San Jose given the market price in other backup/3rd string goalie trades of the time.
It's a lopsided trade in hindsight (well, it is until we get to see what Vlasic does at the NHL level.), but nobody said the Sharks got fleeced at the time.
Slats used to make worse trades than that.
obviously it was
maybe not the worst ever, but this was personal. imagine phoenix with selanne and draper (another nominee in this thread) ! they could've actually contended in the late 90's.
too bad phoenix fans had to endure the same type of incompetence from management that winnipeggers had to.
i should add, tverdovsky was a good looking prospect, BUT his mother was kidnapped in Russia at the time, and imo he never came even close to the player he could've been (possibly because of it; psychologically on an 18 year old that is unbelievable pressure and i don't know if one can fully recover). kilger was a plugger then, just as he is now. just another example that the hockey gods hated the jets almost as much as they hate the leafs !