What would you pay for these UFA defencemen?

pheasant

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I'd love to sign Carlson.

8m x 7yrs

Rielly-Carlson
Gardiner-Hainsey
Dermott-Zaitsev

That's pretty steep. But judging from the reports about Evander Kane getting 7x7, I think you're probably bang on for what Carlson is going to get this offseason. He'll get 8, or close to it. And he instantly makes our blueline look respectable. I think the group you posted can take the team deep in the playoffs.

Green is a bit of an underrated choice. I expected to see his name more in this thread. I don't see why the team wouldn't throw some decent money his way for a 1 or 2 year deal. He is way better in his own zone than people give him credit for.
 
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That's pretty steep. But judging from the reports about Evander Kane getting 7x7, I think you're probably bang on for what Carlson is going to get this offseason. He'll get 8, or close to it. And he instantly makes our blueline look respectable. I think the group you posted can take the team deep in the playoffs.

Green is a bit of an underrated choice. I expected to see his name more in this thread. I don't see why the team wouldn't throw some decent money his way for a 1 or 2 year deal. He is way better in his own zone than people give him credit for.

If I recall correctly, Green wasn't willing to waive his NTC for Toronto this past trade deadline, so most probably assume he has no interest coming here.
 
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pheasant

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If I recall correctly, Green wasn't willing to waive his NTC for Toronto this past trade deadline, so most probably assume he has no interest coming here.

I heard that he would only waive for Tampa and Washington. But didn't hear anything specific about rejecting Toronto. But I looked it up real quick and the theory goes that he doesn't want come to TO to play for Babcock. It's got some substance, since Babcock cut him from the Olympic team in 2010.

It could be true. If it is, then you are right, and Green is not an option.
 
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FerrisRox

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Greg Pateryn needs more love here

1 year deal 900-950k easily. Always starts in the defensive zone (okay, 62-63% of the time) and around 50% Corsi? Pretty good stuff right there, plus he's hard to play against. We need to get harder to play against.

He'd be a fantastic 6-7 option.

As someone who has watched a lot of Greg Pateryn, I can tell you he isn't nearly as tough to play against as he should be. I don't see Pateryn as much of an upgrade for the Maple Leafs at all.

It would be full circle though, he was originally drafted by the Maple Leafs.
 

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Mike Green - $1M
John Carlson - $6-7M long term
Andrej Sustr - $2.5M
Greg Pateryn - NHL minimum
Christian Folin - $1.5M
Kevin Bieksa - NHL minimum
Cody Franson - NHL minimum
 

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I really like Carlson and I think he would improve our defence quite a bit but he’s gonna get better offers elsewhere I think. At 7 million I’d be ok with it but at 8+ he better be putting this team over the top and I’m not sure he’s much more than a good #2/3. I would need a better sense of where the salary cap is trending in the next couple years to be comfortable with that type of signing.

Green would be a nice stop gap type guy until we find a better partner for Rielly on the top pair but my best offer would be about 5 mil a year for 2 years and I doubt he would take that. He’s a bit underated I think maybe because he used to be a bit of a 4th forward back in his caps days. I’m sure someone will give him a Marleau type contract but it won’t be us.

I like De Hann but he doesn’t really give us anything we don’t have so if we sign him, cool but I’m not really hoping for it or anything.

Maybe a depth guy like Pateryn or Folin would do us some good with a little bit of upside at a low cost or even a Bieksa or Franson could help us out this year but the best bet is probably to just stay patient and wait for a better opportunity that should come through trade or whatever in the next while.

It would be nice to upgrade the defence this offseason but if the upgrade isn’t there it’s ok to just run with what we have because this team is so young and competitive why not just see how much they can improve this year with losing a couple vet forwards. We might already have a prospect or 2 that will make it onto our top 4 eventually or maybewe trade a Nylander for a young top defender, who knows, either way, I look forward to the day where our defence isn’t a big weakness.
 

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I don't see much happening 'externally'. Have hopes for Dermott. Wouldn't even surprise me to see Polak re-signed. Team is pretty soft in front of the net
and at times, you just don't want Gardiner covering the slot.

Rielly Hainsey
Gardiner Zaitsev
Borgman Dermott
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marincin Carrick
 

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I don't see much happening 'externally'. Have hopes for Dermott. Wouldn't even surprise me to see Polak re-signed. Team is pretty soft in front of the net
and at times, you just don't want Gardiner covering the slot.

Rielly Hainsey
Gardiner Zaitsev
Borgman Dermott
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marincin Carrick
You just striked to the vein. It really was bursting up in a powerful way. You did it.
Polak might be resigned because he is strong and a bully. Hitting that thang hard and still blocking it.
He might get the dollar. And "it's always the f dollars" like pesci said in casino.
Our team might still get de haan and get even harder. Therefore we would have Rielly - Hainsey, Gardiner - Zaitsev. De Haan - Dermott and Polak the seventh seal of the world. That there, is hard enough. And cuppy enough too.

Now we would have to see how tavarian we would get up front. Even Simmonds, Maroon, Lucic, Jenner up that thang a bit. That would make us cuppy enough so we would bounce on that thang real hard.
 

GordieHoweHatTrick

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I wouldn't pay anything for anyone one of those guys.

Rielly Hainsey
Gardiner Zaitsev
Borgman Dermott
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marincin Carrick

It would be a travesty if that's what we roll with next season.

Hainsey will need to play MUCH fewer minutes if we expect him to clear the crease in the playoffs.

Meanwhile, Gardiner and Zaitsev have a Phaneuf level of incompetence associated with their level of play.
 

Sypher04

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I wouldn't pay anything for anyone one of those guys.



It would be a travesty if that's what we roll with next season.

Hainsey will need to play MUCH fewer minutes if we expect him to clear the crease in the playoffs.

Meanwhile, Gardiner and Zaitsev have a Phaneuf level of incompetence associated with their level of play.

Gardiner, yes. Zaitsev, no.
 

pheasant

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I wouldn't pay anything for anyone one of those guys.



It would be a travesty if that's what we roll with next season.

Hainsey will need to play MUCH fewer minutes if we expect him to clear the crease in the playoffs.

Meanwhile, Gardiner and Zaitsev have a Phaneuf level of incompetence associated with their level of play.

Well if we don't sign any defenders in free agency, and the same group can't be returning, then there would have to be a trade.

It seems like a lot of posters think it's easy to trade for a top 4 RHD. It's not like other teams are giving them away. And I doubt too many fans would be happy if TO sent Nylander, Marner, or our 1st rounder in exchange. So where does the change come from?
 

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I wouldn't pay anything for anyone one of those guys.



It would be a travesty if that's what we roll with next season.

Hainsey will need to play MUCH fewer minutes if we expect him to clear the crease in the playoffs.

Meanwhile, Gardiner and Zaitsev have a Phaneuf level of incompetence associated with their level of play.

Yeah if they go with that on D, my interest level will decrease a notch
 
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GordieHoweHatTrick

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Well if we don't sign any defenders in free agency, and the same group can't be returning, then there would have to be a trade.

It seems like a lot of posters think it's easy to trade for a top 4 RHD. It's not like other teams are giving them away. And I doubt too many fans would be happy if TO sent Nylander, Marner, or our 1st rounder in exchange. So where does the change come from?

For the right d-man, move Nylander. I think Kapanen is a suitable replacement and wingers are easier to come by anyway.

I'm already beginning to worry that the Maple Leafs' window will begin closing while our D is still in shambles.

We all know top-pairing d-men are not easy to come by. Right-handed top-pairing d-men are probably the toughest pieces to find of them all.

Also, and this isn't ideal because it leaves the team paralyzed with hope for one player, but i wouldn't be surprised if Doughty hit the market next off-season. I don't normally hold out hope for star players signing in Toronto, but I feel like the Kings are trending down, which will be enough to convince Doughty to hit the market.
 

Al14

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Mike Green - $1M
John Carlson - $6-7M long term
Andrej Sustr - $2.5M
Greg Pateryn - NHL minimum
Christian Folin - $1.5M
Kevin Bieksa - NHL minimum
Cody Franson - NHL minimum
Why oh why would we even consider Cody Franson again? He was a disaster the first time around!

Big guy, soft as a marshmallow, slower than a stationary bullet, and, a giveaway machine! His only attribute is his shot from the point, that is it!
 

The Iceman

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Greg Pateryn needs more love here

1 year deal 900-950k easily. Always starts in the defensive zone (okay, 62-63% of the time) and around 50% Corsi? Pretty good stuff right there, plus he's hard to play against. We need to get harder to play against.

He'd be a fantastic 6-7 option.

Pateryn was an original Leaf draft pick.
He went with a 2nd rounder for Grabovski
 

Hunter74

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What about Christian Folin. Don't know to much about him except he is big and a Swede and Babs likes that.
 

Battle Lin

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finding good decent D men is tough every summer, but this summer the options are uglier than your avg year, just not much help available out there even if you have money to spend

i'll be happy with a minor upgrade over polak, then have carrick borgman rosen as depth
 

mr grieves

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I sort of am intrigued by De Haan, but that's it from the UFA market.

There's no solution to the Leafs defensive woes on July 1.
 

Duke Silver

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That's pretty steep. But judging from the reports about Evander Kane getting 7x7, I think you're probably bang on for what Carlson is going to get this offseason. He'll get 8, or close to it. And he instantly makes our blueline look respectable. I think the group you posted can take the team deep in the playoffs.

Green is a bit of an underrated choice. I expected to see his name more in this thread. I don't see why the team wouldn't throw some decent money his way for a 1 or 2 year deal. He is way better in his own zone than people give him credit for.

Somebody's going to pay Mike Green $5M+ a year and they're almost immediately going to regret it. I hope it's not us.
 

pheasant

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Somebody's going to pay Mike Green $5M+ a year and they're almost immediately going to regret it. I hope it's not us.

Reports recently (link) suggest the Red Wings want him back, and he said in Jan/Feb that he would like to stay.

Plus there were reports someone posted here that he didn't want to come to the Leafs at the TDL because he doesn't like Babcock. So I think the chances of Green to Toronto, at any price, are nill.
 

Duke Silver

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Reports recently (link) suggest the Red Wings want him back, and he said in Jan/Feb that he would like to stay.

Plus there were reports someone posted here that he didn't want to come to the Leafs at the TDL because he doesn't like Babcock. So I think the chances of Green to Toronto, at any price, are nill.

Thank god.
 

justafan22

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I think one of Pateryn/Folin will be signed. Dubas in 2015 signed Hunwick for 2 years and was a good possesion guy before coming to the leafs. Certainly could see a trade for Tanev and one of Pateryn/Folin vs carlson
 

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