Speculation: What will Canes do at deadline?

Discussion in 'Carolina Hurricanes' started by Boom Boom Apathy, Feb 19, 2018.

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What will Canes do at deadline?

  1. Buy

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  2. Sell

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  3. Buy Some, Sell Some

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  4. Nothing or minor moves only.

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  1. tarheelhockey

    tarheelhockey Highest Boss

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    I like the mentality, but I'm not sure we can "swing hard" at goalies from the current position. Yes we can (and should) draft them, but they're usually 3rd+ round draft material rather than blue chips, and they take about 5 years to develop. And we can't go signing UFA or trading for anyone while we still have 2 NHL level goalies on the roster.

    Basically it's:
    1) Say goodbye to Ward, an integral part of our organization and the closest thing to a franchise goalie that the organization has ever had
    2) Buy out Darling
    3) Say hello to Ward-Darling in 2018-19
     
  2. Blueline Bomber

    Blueline Bomber From the Blueline

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    We know it's #3. The sooner we all accept that, the easier it'll be.
     
  3. Boom Boom Apathy

    Boom Boom Apathy Sooo Good

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    I need to change the title of this thread to "Let's already freak out about next year."
     
  4. Big Daddy Cane

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    I wonder if there is potential for a struggling goalie swap with St. Louis or Ottawa. Allen and Anderson are barely above the .900 line and have comparable contracts to Darling. Perhaps Carolina could add something to make it happen.

    Darling has been sub-Grahame going back to Christmas. He looks broken.
     
  5. theekevinc

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    If we don't get a look at Nedeljkovic in these final 20 games, I'm not sure what the point of the final 20 games is.

    The option still exists to have Darling get his stuff together in Charlotte.
     
  6. geehaad

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    The right move for next year that is devoid of sentimentality is to use Ward's spot to attempt to land another #1. Roll the dice on a RFA with one year left and see how next year goes with that guy and Darling. If he works, great. If he doesn't, re-evaluate (he being the RFA).
     
  7. garnetpalmetto

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    At the risk of repeating myself yet again...here's the list of pending UFA goalies. Who do you get that's an upgrade on Ward let along is a competent/consistent enough tandem to get us into the playoffs?

    Richard Bachman
    Jonathan Bernier
    Reto Berra
    Joe Cannata
    Aaron Dell
    Jeff Glass
    Jaroslav Halak
    Andrew Hammond
    Michael Hutchinson
    Carter Hutton
    Chad Johnson
    Anton Khudobin
    Darcy Kuemper
    Eddie Lack
    Kari Lehtonen
    Michael Leighton
    Anders Lindback
    Tom McCollum
    Mike McKenna
    Antti Niemi
    Edward Pasquale
    Ondrej Pavelec
    Aantti Raanta
    Harri Sateri
    Jeremy Smith
    Niklas Svedberg
    Danny Taylor
    Dustin Tokarski
    Cam Ward
    Jeff Zatkoff

    Ah yes, Dell's on that list which leads me to

    But I thought getting an upgrade in goal was as easy as Ron just going out there and spending the money. You mean there are other considerations to be made? Well damn, that just changes everything you've been saying for nearly a year now, doesn't it?
     
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  8. Finlandia WOAT

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    they're not going to buy out darling (this year), and ward (this year anyway) is one of the best on the ufa market. they're rolling Dwarling next year and praying darling puts it together.

    then a top 9 forward in ufa, maybe another help-a-cap-strapped- team for assets, pencil in necas to replace ryan and foegele/zykov, stempniak and call it an offseason.
     
  10. Boom Boom Apathy

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    IMO, guys in bold are worth taking a look at.
     
  11. The Faulker 27

    The Faulker 27 FOOT LONG

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    It's going to be Ward and Darling, and that's a hell of a lot better than getting rid of Ward, keeping Darling and signing some other pylon on that UFA list. Darling should be in Timbuktu after this season, but if I have to deal with him, I sure as hell hope they don't take a chance on losing Ward, and going with another question mark in goal. We know what we have in Ward.
     
  12. MinJaBen

    MinJaBen Canes Sharks Boy

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    There’s the problem in your statement.
     
  13. HankAnger

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    Are you serious?

    Damn, this is some dumb ****.
     
  14. MinJaBen

    MinJaBen Canes Sharks Boy

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    Yes, I’m serious. He gets paid to get it right and improve the team. I don’t expect him to go 10 for 10, but I’m fed up with him batting below the Mendoza line.
     
  15. cptjeff

    cptjeff [insert joke here]

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    Isn't Richard Bachman the pen name Steven King used when he was starting his career?
     
  16. CandyCanes

    CandyCanes Canes **3

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    Ned has a .905 sv% in the AHL, good for 29th in the league with goalies over 20 starts. He's been pretty meh, just getting a lot of wins cause they score 4-5 goals a night a lot. And I don't think those numbers get better in the NHL or likely translate over. He's probably not the answer. Am I open to giving him a start or two, sure why the hell not? But I'm not expecting much.

    Side note: We have some promise in goalie prospect Jeremy Helvig, surprised there's not been much talk about him here. But he's led the OHL most of the season in SV% for starters. He's sitting at the top currently with a .920 sv%, 2nd best is .917%. Will be interesting to keep an eye on him.
     
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    And Helvig just so happens to be AHL eligible next year. Gotta think that he gets strongly considered for some time on the NHL roster if he performs in camp since we don't have to do the juniors dance with him.
     
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    I still wish we could trade for a top goalie prospect like Hart, Sorokin, and Samsonov. Unfortunately that likely won't go down with them being in the division. Samsonov & Sorokin look like the real deal in the KHL. Doubtful Isles move Sorokin with their goalies, but with the Caps already having Holtby I wonder if there's any chance of a deal that could be made there.
     
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    Doubtful. I still think they'll do the slow grooming approach that they've done with Ned & Booth. I'm guessing Booth gets to split starts next year with Ned. Helvig probably gets the starting job with the Everblades.
     
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    Goalies never go straight from junior unless it’s an emergncy situation like Vegas had this year.
     
  21. garnetpalmetto

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    Considering your advocacy for Darling, doesn't that also make you sub-Mendoza here? I mean I'm just saying, he who lives in a glass house...

    On the nose! Although it was more that he used it and his real name at the same time because his publisher thought a writer shouldn't put out books at the pace King was writing them and that readers wouldn't read more than one book a year by the same author, so they came up with the Bachman nom de plume.
     
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    I've let myself be told it was a name he used when he specifically wanted to find out if he actually is a good writer outside the "Stephen King" brand that had already gained popularity, but the word got out about it before he got any definite answers over the Richard Bachman book "The Running Man".
     
  23. tarheelhockey

    tarheelhockey Highest Boss

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    Too bad “Cujo” was already taken.
     
  24. theekevinc

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    I'm not disagreeing, and I wouldn't have even brought him up if Ned hadn't just had a lights-out February. Ned's line in February was: 7W-3L-1OTL, 1.13 GAA, .933 sv. pct. (251/269) with three shutouts. And he gave up more than three goals *once*. I think he's earned a few games at the NHL level, especially in light of what Darling has done with his opportunity.
     
  25. sheriff bart

    sheriff bart 'scuse me while I whip this out

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    I agree that it's tough to go to your boss and tell him that you made a $16.6M mistake. On one hand, Scott Darling's last 3 years in Chicago had him with SV% of .936, .915, and .924 over 74 total games. There was no reason to assume he was going to come into Raleigh and **** the bed. Now those sheets have been shat upon.

    Dundon owes Darling $4.15M a year ($12.45M total) for 3 years. A buyout would save him $4.15M and result in him owing Darling $1.38M a year for 6 years. Now, it's easy for us to throw around his money, but he has a lot to consider here. Is Darling a lost cause and you need to move on? If so, there are the numbers. Worrying about the boss yelling at you for stating the obvious is why Ronnie gets the corner office.

    The big question is...

    Why do the Canes break every goalie that drops off their suitcase in Raleigh? Every drafted goalie, Kuodobin, Lack, Darling, etc.
     

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