What to do after our 2nd loss?

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  1. Tak7

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    Outscored 12-4.

    Outplayed. Outshot. Outchanced.

    Overwhelmed and rattled.

    Who's making up stuff? Me? Or people pretending this has been a series?
     
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    This is the detriment to never mixing lines up during the season.

    Our players have no familiarity with eachother. Last night was the first night EVER that Matthews played a full game without Hyman.
     
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    sure they do, but it's pretty obvious they can't get that player after 2 years of trying. it's not happening or they would have done it.

    you have to take the elite talent where you find it.
     
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    I come in peace. :)

    I think those lines are interesting and would be intriguing to see but I doubt Babcock would ever put that 2nd line against the Bruins.

    I would suggest a minor change:
    Marleau Matthews Marner
    Hyman Nylander Kapanen
    Johnsson Moore/Pleks Brown
    JVR Bozak Leivo

    I prefer your line combinations but I think Babcock wouldn't put out that 2nd line of speed, although it would be interesting to see if they could elude Boston's physicality (but, I dunno about that). It might even be better to have someone like Hyman who will go into the corners and be the mucker for that line.
     
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    Chara is good, but he’s hardly the Best d man in the league...
     
  6. Tak7

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    They arent winning 4 of the next 5.

    You've been in denial for months about this team's chances in the 1st round.
     
  7. WestCoastLeafs

    WestCoastLeafs I beleaf

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    I'm hoping that Nylander stays at centre and Leivo comes in for Leo. Don't think the Leivo part happens, believe he was the only guy on the roster not to get in for a tune-up game at the end of the season :cry: Martin/Moore are wastes of a lineup spot, but considering Moore is the most similar type palyer to Leo, he probably goes in if Leo is hurt :(

    The big question is whether to bring in Carrick. Zaitsev really needs to be pushed down to the third pair, but Carrick has been hit and miss when he gets back into the lineup after a long break. So do you take a chance on putting Gardiner/Carrick toegether and hoping they can find what they had last year? Desperate times...
     
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    Roman polack is gritty too. Leo is not the only player we can counteract the bruins physicality with.. we have Matt Martin too. They’re about equal offensively at this point. And with Andreas Johnsson in the lineup for kadri.. we have another guy who can go on the pk instead of Leo. Or if we want more offense.. we have leivo, who can hold his own physically too.

    We need Matthews to start producing. Him and nylander have looked off their game.. and when your best players aren’t doing their job in the playoffs.. it’s tough to win.

    That said.. I think we were the better team in those last two periods. We at least played close. The early lead is what’s killing us.
     
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    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock

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    This actually looks pretty damn good.
     
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    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock

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    Was this at Polk High?:sarcasm:
     
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    7even Go on, do your duty

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    And that coach's name? Bill Belichik.
     
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    I agree with this. I think Hainsey needs to rest, bring Carrick in. Not using Leivo isn’t a good idea, now is a great time for him. But again I don’t know what the coaches will do.
     
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    I am going to give them a chance to see how they do at home. I am not going to say they are going to win, it's hard to see them do so RIGHT NOW, but I don't want to completely write them off. I can't sit here and say this is going 7, but I want to see how they do at home first.
     
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    Keep nylander and Marner together, replace Plek with Moore, think about getting carrick in there (possibly if we lose game 3 for game 4) at the expensive of zaitzev, and most importantly, never give up.
     
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    For some reason, I really want to see
    Johnsson-Nylander- Kapanen line, I just want them to go for it and not be scared.
     
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    I can't tell the future and neither can you.

    In what way do you think I've been in denial? Try not to make a fool of yourself now, you're the guy who just the other day accused me of being one of the people who said that Boston "can't handle our speed" when not only did I never say any such thing, I was telling people who did say so that they were nuts. If you can't keep straight who's saying what then you should probably just keep quiet.
     
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    Ive been saying for months that the Leafs dont matchup well at all against Boston, and that they wont win this series.

    Youve taken exception to me saying it almost everytime. You reply, without fail, every single time lol.
     
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    What do you mean by "take exception"? If you would have said Boston is favoured to win the series, I would have agreed. If you claim to be able to see the future, I would have been skeptical. :)
     
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    This is exactly what I was going to post.

    The matchup line = They know exactly what they're role is. There's no reason to cheat/lose-coverage because they know exactly what their role is. VERY similar to the Komarov-Kadri-Brown line last year where they were excellent as a shutdown line because they knew what their role was.

    The 1st line = As much as I dislike JVR's work ethic, he's very good at cycling the puck and small passes in the offensive zone. That's PERFECT to compliment Matthews-Marner.

    The sheltered OZ line = Doesn't have to be sheltered to be honest. Pure speed and skill, with two strong defensive wingers as well. This line could easily eat up the other team's 3rd line.

    4th line = Double-shift Marner/Kapanen/Matthews IF one of Leivo/Martin don't play too well. I've actually liked Bozak this series though.
     
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    The leafs had more zone time and shots than the B’s.

    It’s all about the leafs D being unable to cope with their top line. Particularly Zaitsev who looks lost in space.
     
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    I would love to see Johnsson/Nylander/Kapanen.
     
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    I know this wont make the spreadsheet people happy but i would be putting Martin in for game 3.

    I have played enough high level hockey or been semi involved in high level hockey to know that playing a guy like Martin allows all the Leaf skill guys to play a little taller and tougher. They know there is a guy who will run their stars and create room for them

    As much as the advance sweatheart crowd will decry this notion it is as old as hockey itslef. I can tell Gretz and Kurri never said hey lets sit Semenko cause his corsi or fenwick is bad. Hell no play him cause i am not worried about getting run.

    Marner is getting creamed this series yet there is no phyical response on the Bruins stars. Hey maybe time to run Pasternak into the boards with some heavy hockey and dont let him walk around our zones like a beer league no contact hockey.

    Even crazier i would start Martin with Matthews and Marner. Let him create some space for those guys early on. Maybe Boston thinks twice about running Marner with Martin on the ice. Might create enough space to score or at least give those guys some confidence

    Even further i am reworking the lines and D pair

    Martin - Matthews - Marner see above

    Johnsson - Nylander - Kappanen
    Let these kids go nuts with speed and creativity. Let boston trie to check that line

    JvR - Bozak - Marleau
    3 vets who need to respond and create another level of attack.

    Hyman - Moore - Brown

    Grittier 4th line who should cycle and wear down the Bruins. Might not score but job is to work hard cycling. Moore upgrade over Plex who sucks

    Dermott - Reilly

    Lets see what Dermot can do. Cant be worse than the others. This pairing might surprise with 2 guys who can skate and can move the puck

    Gards - Polak
    Gards has Polak to do dirty work and Polak has Gards to move the puck for them

    Hainsey - #22 (i dont use his name anymire)
    2 guys who are having a terrible playoff so gets sheltered minutes and with PK might be fresher for that.

    Nothing else is working so mix it up
     
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    Urgh, the myth of Chara is so gross. I wish the coaching staff would just make every's mission to throw the puck in deep in Chara's corner, attack with speed and take one big hit at him. Extrapolated over 2 games, that's 36 hits on the body and should soften him up, add some wear and tear on his ancient body and get yourself into the mentality that you're playing the same game and shouldn't be mortally terrified of him.
     
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    At this point we have nothing to lose. He's more of a pure brawn guy, but maybe it has a psychological impact on the kids.
     

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