What is the better Elite competition to expand hockey, in the Olympics, or World Cup?

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  1. Jazz

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    I'm disgusted...

    I'm listening to the radio in Vancouver, and there has been quite a bit of reaction to this article talking about the possible demise of the World Cup

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=155254&hubname=

    The virtual reaction here is that the fans would rather have the World Cup as the pre-eminant elite hockey championships, since it does not disrupt the NHL season.

    I don't think that that average Canadian understands that the Olympics reaches a far wider audience than the World Cup does, so for the expansion of hockey world-wide, the Olympics is the better platform...plus everyone is in mid-season form for the Olympics, so the hockey is better.

    So the simple question I ask is: What would you rather have, the World Cup, the Olympics, or both?
     
  2. Rover*

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    Just the olympics is good enough.
     
  3. therealdeal

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    I think that the Best on best happens too often now, maybe only have the World Cup every 6 years if you're doing the Olympics.
     
  4. SChan*

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    hockey in the olympics goes out too many more viewers than world cup do, so the answer is rather easy.
     
  5. Olaf Fub

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    I like to see the World Cup get played in same year as the Summer Olympics, so we'd have an elite tourney every two years.

    I'd also like to see it go back to being named the Canada Cup.
     
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    WHY?!?!?!?!

    It sounds everything BUT international, and you'd always russian teams whining and bleeding themselves to death about rigged games or such.
     
  7. shawn_kemp*

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    Obviously, no one in Europe is happy that in the World Cup, Canada is the organizing country, the judge, and the home team. And in Canada no one would have been happy if the World Cup was always played in the Czech Republic with Czech referees.

    For that reason, unlike the World Cup, the Olympics are a legitimate international tournament. The WC would need to be impartial.

    But, I think there's a place for both of them. I mean it's every 2 years!!! YEARS, not months!
     
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    The world cup should be for the pros, the Olympics should be for the kids.
     
  9. BraveSirRobin

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    I like both. The World/Canada Cup is great because it's not disrupting the NHL season and you see hockey players play for their countries without the fear of a few top players drop out to heal for when the NHL restarts. However, the Olympics has that feel of tradition to it, and it's available to a larger audience. I don't know, I can't pick just one.
     
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  12. Lunatik*

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    i'd rather have the olympics... but instead of crowding the schedule in olympic years they should either have a shorter schedule... or start earlier in those olympic years
     
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    Olympics.

    Having both makes no sense. Having a major best on best every two years makes it almost boring. Have it four years, and keep it at the Olympics.
     
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    Ice Hockey is not a verry popular Sport.
    Period.
    So, other than Football, which is simply too big for the Olympics, the worlds most important Ice Hockey tornament should be happening within the olympics.
    This is because this way you reach people and countries where ice hockey needs promotion, like Germany for example.

    Having said this, bear in mind that the german DEL is one of the best (best in multiple aspects, finance, spectators, sponsorship) Leagues in europe. For comparison, look at England for example, ice hockey is almost not present there.

    So the olympics are held every 4 years, the World Cup of (ice) Hockey should be held every four years as well, with a 2 years gap, so for example next time 2008.
    The world cup should be expanded to 16 teams, played in 2 pools of 8 teams with the top 4 teams qualifying for a cross elimination knock out tornament.
    That way, all nations would get to play a minimum of 7 games against world-class opponents, and nothing closes the gap faster than competing on top level.
    http://www.iihf.com/news/Ranking2005.pdf
    01 CAN
    02 SWE
    03 CZE
    04 SVK
    05 RUS
    06 USA
    07 FIN
    08 SUI
    09 LAT
    10 GER
    11 UKR
    12 BLR
    13 AUT
    14 DEN
    15 KAZ
    16 SLO

    Now for the important part:
    Olympics, and World Cups should include NHL players.
    In ice hockey there is the strange situation that all the top players play in one league. (Look at football where stars are scattered all over europe).
    The WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS should explixitly DISSALOW the participation of NHL players and be held only in years where there is neither a world cup, nor olympic games.
    That way, there would be a big international competition every year, with "the best" showing up in olympics and world cups, while up and coming players and teams can also compete in a "2nd Level" tournament that allows nations to build and show some depth, without beeing totally dependent on the NHL. (if Boston makes the Playoffs, Germany is without Sturm. Germany without Sturm doesn't stand a chance against all the rest of Canada nevertheless since they got Stars on every NHL team).

    Conclusion: NHL Players show up internationally every 2 years only, World Cup's and Olympics.
    In hockey, a "Continental Championship" makes no sense, so let there be a World Championship every 2 years, but without any Active NHL Players.
    Championships feature 16 Nations to expose players to that level of play and transfer skill and experiece that way.
     
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    Why to which point.

    I'd like to see the Cup played between the Winter Olympics because I enjoy the tournaments.

    I'd like to see it called the Canada Cup because it's the original name. The tradition of the Canada Cup means something. The World Cup is a soccer tournament.

    Plus, it's held in Canada.
     
  16. I love everything more about the world cup except one thing... it's runned by Canada. Canadian-biased referees etc. makes it impossible for any team to win.
     
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    Wow, you really show those non-partisan views on the game right here.

    Excellent post.
     
  18. Force

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    Something that really bugs me is:

    "Hockey".

    The reigning Olympic Hockey Champion is... Australia.

    How can professional people come up with "World Cup of Hockey" for an ICE Hockey Tournament. I mean come on. Show some credibility and respect if you are talking about a world stage tournament. Seriously if India and Pakistan show up and want to play, what are you going to tell them? buy some skates?
     
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    Force- Great post and I agree 100%. Germany only need a "kick in the right direction" and Hockey would grow tremendously as of now. The game needs that.
     
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    I want both. Canada, Russia, Sweden, the Czech rep. - all top 7 nationalteams are so great. I want to see them as much as possible.
     
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    Yeah... Olympics and thats it. I don't think anyone even saw/cared about the last world cup. I know I'm in no mood to see hockey in August with a bunch of out of shape players. During the Olympics, ever player is in shape and ready to go.
     
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    I like both, but then again im a hockey nut.
     
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    Canada Cup doesn't sound like an international tournament. That's an awful name. World Cup is by far a better name. Because it does involve other countries other than canada...
     
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    Well said. I would add that the Olympics would be better for fans, and the World Cup would be better for NHL owners.

    P.S. Guys, enjoy this Torino Olympic hockey to the fullest because there is a good possibility that we won't see NHLers in 2010....
     
  25. God Bless Canada

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    It's interesting that this is coming up. Soccer and basketball both send their best to the Olympics, and have a World Cup (World Championship) during the in-between year.

    In terms of growing the game, the Olympics is the better way to grow. You're going to attract more people, more viewers. There's also much more history behind Olympic gold than that bizarre trophy the NHL had designed for the World Cup. (Someone actually paid money for that?)

    I think there is a place for the World Cup, if it's done right. I think it might be best to alternate locations, like the World Cup of Soccer, if we could guarantee that the fans in the host country would turn out for all the games, not just the medal round games and contests involving the host team. It also has to be presented as a tournament that means something, by making the players care about it. (Gretzky did an excellent job of that for Canada in the last World Cup, because players knew that a strong performance would cinch their spot on the 2006 Olympic team).
     
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