Pominville Knows
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And where do i find the formula or maybe even allready done players or calculators?
And where do i find the formula or maybe even allready done players or calculators?
There's been some attempts at overall ratings (somewhat equivalent of win shares or wins above replacement in other spots) but all have noted holes.
Yeah, I'd be really wary of using the overall ratings that have bubbled up so far. Given that they all have significant flaws, you're probably better off narrowing down to a specific aspect of the game that you want to evaluate.
The exception might be goalies, who seem to be somewhat easier to quantify than skaters.
Looking at pointshares on hockey-reference has similar issues. Crosby and Jagr had the 3rd and 4th most *defensive* point shares among forwards, Kunitz is at 5th. All ahead of Bergeron which seems dubious at best
And Tarheel was never heard from again after Doc No finished with him
Yea it's one of the better ones, but still has issues.
Ovechkin may not have had an elite season, but it was certainly better than 95th
The top 4 players all goalies.... I see he hasn't fixed the overrating of the effect of goaltenders.
I always felt that GVT underrates defensemen, but I'm probably biased about the importance of the position I play.
When the top ranked defenseman is 18th.... yes, I agree with you.
It goes to the weakness of hockey stats. We have stats to measure offensive production, and goaltender stats are pretty good (save percentage with a few adjustments). But there really aren't any good stats to measure defensive performance (though there have been improvements in that area).
The top 4 players all goalies.... I see he hasn't fixed the overrating of the effect of goaltenders.
I think good goalies are inherently more valuable than good skaters. But GVT certainly underrates defencemen.
I think good goalies are inherently more valuable than good skaters. But GVT certainly underrates defencemen.
What are some of the current defensive performance metrics that you think are decent? I'd like to take a look at some.
I just find it hard to believe that 4 goalies provide more value than Sidney Crosby is a season when Crosby won the Art Ross by a large margin
In an ideal world, the GVT distribution/bell curve of every player position (F,D,G) should be identical. They are not.
Normal distribution for forwards, Goaltenders have HEAVY tails (either supermen, or "replacement" level fodder), and defensemen just don't have much that separates them.