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3-0 since meeting Kaberle keeping my old avatar and username. 0-2 while scoring only 2 goals since the change over to TOMMYS GIRL. I think it's obvious what's going on here.
Post-Game Talk: We suck (Well, the Players, coaches, management, Ice Caretakers)
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NotOpie
"Puck don't lie"
Every time I see this thread title, I read "We sack"...
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tarheelhockey
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Not really sure what the healthy scratches are supposed to do at this point. PDG, Jooris and Dahlbeck are pretty much the definition of replacement level players. At most, maybe they run around and create a sense of urgency while lowering our skill level.
Jury is still out but it could be ushering in the new era of Jooris Prudence.
tarheelhockey
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At least the replies to that tweet look like they're going in a fun direction.
Peters: The players suck. We need better players. Give me some guys with talent.
Francis: **** you.
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garnetpalmetto
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Entirely. Charlotte's on the bubble (currently in the playoffs) and there's one point separating them from Bridgeport who has a game in hand. I can imagine the desire to make sure Charlotte gets into the playoffs for two consecutive years is an organizational goal to show some sort of step forward at any level.
DaveG
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There's not much that can be done on the reinforcements front without waivers or putting people on IR. We have 23 on roster... the NHL also has a hard roster limit during the regular season of... 23.
Reminiscent of Peters' comments leading up to the draft essentially begging RF to trade his picks for better players. Without a major turnaround, these could be the waning days of BP in Raleigh.
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cptjeff
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Given many of Dundon's comments, I'd bet that Francis's job is much more at risk than Peters's is. Dundon talked about how he was suspicious of Peters given the lack of success until he actually spent time with him, and was then very impressed. Given that he has faith in Peters and wants faster success- Francis is the one who's likely sweating. That's about where I would be- I've had some issues with Peters, but he's a good coach overall and the fundamental issue is that the roster flat out isn't good enough, and that's squarely in Francis's court.
Zezima
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If the organizational goal is to get Charlotte into the playoffs even at the expense of getting the Canes into the playoffs, then the organization needs new goals.
Canes
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If Francis' jobs is at risk, then Peters' likely is as well. No good GM is going to come here with an ultimatum he has to keep around the current coaching staff. Maybe a new GM would want to keep him around and see what he's got with Peters but I wouldn't be surprised if the new GM wanted to install his own staff either.
It's probably all moot anyway. We win vs. the Flyers next game and we can continue kicking the can down the road for another 2-3 weeks if not months.
Boom Boom Apathy
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That's a fair point on the Checkers being in a playoff race. Although re: DaveG's comment on waivers, I'm not worried. If we put PDG or Jooris on waivers, I doubt anyone claims them, and if they do, "who cares?"
I don't think the guys in Charlotte are going to provide as much help as some like to think. I'm ok with trying them though, but I don't expect any of them to have much of an impact, if any at all. Zykov, from what I can tell, has been a PP specialist and not particularly good at even strength? Not sure he has the speed to be successful in the NHL from what I've seen of him, but will defer to others on that as I haven't seen much of him.
Foegele I think could add a spark to the 4th line, but not sure how that changes the overall fortunes of the team. Still, if I was going to bring one guy up, he'd be it.
I'm not as sold on Wallmark as others. Seems to me to be a poor man's Victor Rask. Depending on how the next couple of games go, I'd think they may try him out if they want to bring a guy up.
I don't think the guys in Charlotte are going to provide as much help as some like to think. I'm ok with trying them though, but I don't expect any of them to have much of an impact, if any at all. Zykov, from what I can tell, has been a PP specialist and not particularly good at even strength? Not sure he has the speed to be successful in the NHL from what I've seen of him, but will defer to others on that as I haven't seen much of him.
Foegele I think could add a spark to the 4th line, but not sure how that changes the overall fortunes of the team. Still, if I was going to bring one guy up, he'd be it.
I'm not as sold on Wallmark as others. Seems to me to be a poor man's Victor Rask. Depending on how the next couple of games go, I'd think they may try him out if they want to bring a guy up.
Canes
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Anything to justify keeping the status quo.
The Hurricanes are the NHL embodiment of learned helplessness at this point. Just hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
Boom Boom Apathy
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While none of us know for sure as we are all trying to "read the tea leaves", I'd be very surprised if that was the case. Like it or not, a GM is evaluated over a long period of time and aren't often fired / let go in a short span (and Francis's span is still short). Head coaches though, are more measured on short term performance and sometimes are fired in very short order.
Francis is the 16th most tenured GM in the NHL but believe it or not, Bill Peters is the 7th most tenured coach in the NHL right now and every single one longer than him have some level of success (Trotz, Lavi, Maurice, Vigneault, Cooper and Quenneville). Let that sink in. There are only 6 coaches who have been in their job longer than Peters and all of them have been to the playoffs, 2 of them have cup wins on their resume, and 5 of the 6 of them have taken a team to the Stanley Cup at one point in their career.
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Boom Boom Apathy
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Another interesting thing is that every Carolina Hurricanes coach in the history of the organization, sans Kirk Muller, is one of the 7 most tenured coaches in the NHL right now.
DaveG
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So, honestly, we may need to wait til after the lottery for the big move that I'd suggest, but I'd absolutely 1000% do it.
To Carolina: Ryan O'Reilly, meh AHLer contract dump as needed (Tennyson want return a caroline?)
To Buffalo: 2018 1st (as long as it's not top 3), Viktor Rask, Haydn Fleury, Buffalo's choice of Zykov or Saarela.
sign JVR in the offseason, even though we know by the end of his contract he will no longer be worth it, something like 6x6.
Move Krueger for futures, someone will give us a mid-round pick for the guy. See if we can get futures for Nordy and PDG as well as we do need more speed and more roster flexibility.
Sign someone like Hamhuis to replace Fleury until Bean is ready or until Hanifin-Faulk wouldn't be a dumpster fire.
Unfortunately I think we're stuck with Darling which blows considering I'd love to acquire Raanta and make a go of it with him instead.
Roll out with:
JVR - O'Reilly - Lindholm
Aho - J Staal - Teravainen
Skinner - Necas - Williams
McGinn - Wallmark - Foegele
Zykov/Saarela
Slavin - Pesce
Hamhuis-Faulk
Hanifin-TVR
Dahlbeck
Ward
Darling
Not that Lindholm has really done anything to earn that slot over McGinn, but I'd look to see if competent linemates might spark him a bit, the nice thing is that we can always switch those two as Ginner is capable of playing either wing anywhere in the lineup without killing whatever line he's on.
To Carolina: Ryan O'Reilly, meh AHLer contract dump as needed (Tennyson want return a caroline?)
To Buffalo: 2018 1st (as long as it's not top 3), Viktor Rask, Haydn Fleury, Buffalo's choice of Zykov or Saarela.
sign JVR in the offseason, even though we know by the end of his contract he will no longer be worth it, something like 6x6.
Move Krueger for futures, someone will give us a mid-round pick for the guy. See if we can get futures for Nordy and PDG as well as we do need more speed and more roster flexibility.
Sign someone like Hamhuis to replace Fleury until Bean is ready or until Hanifin-Faulk wouldn't be a dumpster fire.
Unfortunately I think we're stuck with Darling which blows considering I'd love to acquire Raanta and make a go of it with him instead.
Roll out with:
JVR - O'Reilly - Lindholm
Aho - J Staal - Teravainen
Skinner - Necas - Williams
McGinn - Wallmark - Foegele
Zykov/Saarela
Slavin - Pesce
Hamhuis-Faulk
Hanifin-TVR
Dahlbeck
Ward
Darling
Not that Lindholm has really done anything to earn that slot over McGinn, but I'd look to see if competent linemates might spark him a bit, the nice thing is that we can always switch those two as Ginner is capable of playing either wing anywhere in the lineup without killing whatever line he's on.
Boom Boom Apathy
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I like the forward group and think that's a realistic possibility. I don't like the defense enough as it's basically what we have this year and unless this year was a fluke, they need at least one guy who can move the puck better. Goaltending, I'm not sure what to do. I agree that we need to not give up on Darling too quickly here, but on the flipside, it's risky going with the same thing that isn't working right now.
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Luke was trying to give Francis credit for signing Rask long term when we *all* expected a bridge deal. Nobody expected Rask to get six years, but RF gave it to him for no obvious reason. Luke has been very consistent with his criticism of RF giving out long-term deals and not maximizing his leverage in the CBA. He's also been willing to give credit when a signing looks good.
We all agreed the long-term deal for Rask looked good for a while, when Rask was playing well. Now, we all agree it doesn't look as good. All Luke is pointing out is that Francis took a risk when he signed Rask long term, that risk looked good for a while, but now clearly was a bad idea. Your bias against Luke is showing when you criticize him for saying the same things we're all saying.
The Rask contract was unnecessarily rich, looked good for a while despite that fact, but now is clear was a big mistake. Not exactly a hot take.
Not bad proposals. But why resign Ward? If we won't get rid of Darling, why not look to bring in someone who may have a higher ceiling than Ward? Honestly, I go right back to the well you dipped in with the ROR trade and look to grab Lehner. His numbers are decent, very good if you take into account the team he has played behind. He is a UFA after the season, and it looks like he may not be resigned by Buffalo as they look to Ulmark. If we resign Ward after this season of being the #1, then I have no doubt that Francis would give him $4M per for 3 or 4 more years. No way I'd want to tie our hands to him for that long or that cost.
