Series Talk: WCSF: Colorado Avalanche (C3) vs Dallas Stars (C1) | Stars win 4-2

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

It would be awesome if someone printed copies of this off and put them on the wall in the visitors locker room for game 3.

 

[avalanche_country]

I loathe Matt Duchene. Hope he ends up out east next year

 

[Balthazar]

After that radio show mentioned a bunch of people went to the Stars board and noticed that... well, the idea that calling the Sedins sisters wasn't new, wasn't the worst type of thing that was posted on the board, and none of the mods were doing anything about it. When the rest of HF showed up a bunch of posters and Stars mods got bother for it and left.

There's a bit more to it but in short, the whole Stars fanbase, including their mods, got bullied out of HF.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Alright, taking a poll here. Wore my Mack Blueberry in round 1 game 1 and we lost, then swapped to my Makar Nords Reverse Retro for R1G2-R2G2 before finally taking a loss.

Which jersey should I go with next?

1. Byram 2022 Stanley Cup jersey
2. Zadorov Home
3. Forsberg Burgundy 3rd
4. Duchene Illuminati
5. Makar Illuminati
6. Svatos White

 

[RockLobster]

Alright, taking a poll here. Wore my Mack Blueberry in round 1 game 1 and we lost, then swapped to my Makar Nords Reverse Retro for R1G2-R2G2 before finally taking a loss.

Which jersey should I go with next?

1. Byram 2022 Stanley Cup jersey
2. Zadorov Home
3. Forsberg Burgundy 3rd
4. Duchene Illuminati
5. Makar Illuminati
6. Svatos White

First step should be to get rid of this abomination (the player, not the jersey)

and after that I would go w/ either Forsberg or Makar

 

[forsbergavs32]

First step should be to get rid of this abomination (the player, not the jersey)

and after that I would go w/ either Forsberg or Makar

Hey, never know. Could be a nice jinx option

 

[Pokecheque]

I pride myself on being the resident Duchene Apologist on these boards and even I got rid of the old Duchene t-shirt I had.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Alright, taking a poll here. Wore my Mack Blueberry in round 1 game 1 and we lost, then swapped to my Makar Nords Reverse Retro for R1G2-R2G2 before finally taking a loss.

Which jersey should I go with next?

1. Byram 2022 Stanley Cup jersey
2. Zadorov Home
3. Forsberg Burgundy 3rd
4. Duchene Illuminati
5. Makar Illuminati
6. Svatos White

Svatos would be my choice. I think it's pretty cool you've got one of his.

First step should be to get rid of this abomination (the player, not the jersey)

and after that I would go w/ either Forsberg or Makar

I think I'd have to swap the nameplate out to Parise or ERod.

 

[the_fan]

I think if they split in Colorado, the series is going 7 games. If they can somehow win both home games, probably win the series in 6 back in Colorado. If it goes to game 7, not sure if I like our chances. Everything will work against us in game 7

 

[avalanche_country]

Avs going down 3-0 and 4-0, doesn’t exactly ooze confidence going forward.

 

[Balthazar]

Avs have going down 3-0 and 4-0, doesn’t exactly ooze confidence going forward.

I don't know about going down but I agree that having to come back from behind all the time is NOT a good sign.

 

[the_fan]

Avs going down 3-0 and 4-0, doesn’t exactly ooze confidence going forward.

Going down in games has been an issue all season, and what’s more troubling is that when asked, both players and Bednar instead of showing concern, they almost encouraging it, talking about how they’re always confident they can come back in games. Sooner or later their luck is gonna run out and they gonna be out of the playoffs with that mentality

 

[PAZ]

I guess i'm the minority that doesn't hate Duchene.

He was good while he was here and returned a boatload to help offset the atrocious drafting. If Duchene wanted to stay I don't think we win a cup.

 

[sethro109]

Alright, taking a poll here. Wore my Mack Blueberry in round 1 game 1 and we lost, then swapped to my Makar Nords Reverse Retro for R1G2-R2G2 before finally taking a loss.

Which jersey should I go with next?

1. Byram 2022 Stanley Cup jersey
2. Zadorov Home
3. Forsberg Burgundy 3rd
4. Duchene Illuminati
5. Makar Illuminati
6. Svatos White

Galvanize our support for the Avs and hate for the Oilers. Wear the Zads jersey and unite HFAvs.

 

[Avs_19]

Going down by a few goals is far from ideal and they have to start better but I think it's ultimately on the players. Trying to blame Bednar or going with the typical "out coached" talk is just an easy way out and I might even lean towards it being nonsensical. At worst they've played even at 5v5 through two games when accounting for score and the Avs probably have the advantage if you look at the numbers as a whole.

The type of penalties the Avs took don't have anything to do with coaching, systems, etc. I think that dumb stuff is completely on the players, including the bench minors. Sometimes your best players have to step up and I don't think the Avs players have done that other than Cale.

 

[GeoRox89]

Alright, taking a poll here. Wore my Mack Blueberry in round 1 game 1 and we lost, then swapped to my Makar Nords Reverse Retro for R1G2-R2G2 before finally taking a loss.

Which jersey should I go with next?

1. Byram 2022 Stanley Cup jersey
2. Zadorov Home
3. Forsberg Burgundy 3rd
4. Duchene Illuminati
5. Makar Illuminati
6. Svatos White

Nameplate swap on that Duchene if it’s an adidas or exile it to the depths of the underworld if it’s reebok

Otherwise:
1) Svatos because that’s pretty awesome especially if it’s a CCM
2) Forsberg Alt
3) Makar Illuminati
4) Bo
5) Zads although if it’s an adidas one then that’s pretty cool and I’d move it up to 3

 

[RockLobster]

Going down by a few goals is far from ideal and they have to start better but I think it's ultimately on the players. Trying to blame Bednar or going with the typical "out coached" talk is just an easy way out and I might even lean towards it being nonsensical. At worst they've played even at 5v5 through two games when accounting for score and the Avs probably have the advantage if you look at the numbers as a whole.

The type of penalties the Avs took don't have anything to do with coaching, systems, etc. I think that dumb stuff is completely on the players, including the bench minors. Sometimes your best players have to step up and I don't think the Avs players have done that other than Cale.

Imo, the blame for Bednar lies with a seemingly disinterest in making tactical adjustments to counter Dallas employing a trap meant to neutralize their speed in the neutral zone. That’s definitely a coaching issue, because I think we can safely say that the way he thinks is that no matter what, our talent will win out. And sometimes that’s fine, but he should also be looking at options/tactics that put us in the best situation to win.

 

[GeoRox89]

If only RyJo was already LTIR injured and we could’ve sent just the first without him to the Flames. Though Tanev is so injury prone he probably would’ve landed in the hospital his first day with the Ambulanche. Need to be all over hitting that man and hard every chance and hope he eventually breaks down like usual

 

[Freaky Styley]

Alright, taking a poll here. Wore my Mack Blueberry in round 1 game 1 and we lost, then swapped to my Makar Nords Reverse Retro for R1G2-R2G2 before finally taking a loss.

Which jersey should I go with next?

1. Byram 2022 Stanley Cup jersey
2. Zadorov Home
3. Forsberg Burgundy 3rd
4. Duchene Illuminati
5. Makar Illuminati
6. Svatos White

#3

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Going down by a few goals is far from ideal and they have to start better but I think it's ultimately on the players. Trying to blame Bednar or going with the typical "out coached" talk is just an easy way out and I might even lean towards it being nonsensical. At worst they've played even at 5v5 through two games when accounting for score and the Avs probably have the advantage if you look at the numbers as a whole.

The type of penalties the Avs took don't have anything to do with coaching, systems, etc. I think that dumb stuff is completely on the players, including the bench minors. Sometimes your best players have to step up and I don't think the Avs players have done that other than Cale.

Agree 100%. Blaming the coach for bad line changes is lazy. The coach tells the players who will be going on next and from that point on it is the players' responsibility to jump on the ice at the right time. The coach doesn't stand behind a player and then suddenly say: "OK go ahead. You can now jump on." They are not kids.

Imo, the blame for Bednar lies with a seemingly disinterest in making tactical adjustments to counter Dallas employing a trap meant to neutralize their speed in the neutral zone. That’s definitely a coaching issue, because I think we can safely say that the way he thinks is that no matter what, our talent will win out. And sometimes that’s fine, but he should also be looking at options/tactics that put us in the best situation to win.

Bednar not adjusting needs to stop. The players themselves have said quite a few times that he does. If he wouldn't the Avs wouldn't have so many come back wins. Yes talent has some to do with it but he also makes adjustments. I will give you that he doesn't adjust a lot during periods but he certainlly does between periods. The players need to execute better. They took four non-forced stupid penalties. FOUR. Bednar said himself yesterday that he was trying to get his stars going in the 2nd period and they couldn't. It wasn't because of the Stars' system. It was because the 1st line had another very average night playing-wise. Except for last night the points have been there but Mack and Mikko have not played very well. They look disinterested and not engaged for long period of time. Mack's passing has been really bad so far in these playoffs especially last night. Bednar cannot force them to play better. They are the ones that need to execute better and it starts with better effort. I lost count a long time ago in the WIN series how many time Mack has given up on a play when he loses the puck. No effort to get it back. The effort is not there from them unless they are down 3+ goals (except last night).

 

[RockLobster]

Agree 100%. Blaming the coach for bad line changes is lazy. The coach tells the players who will be going on next and from that point on it is the players' responsibility to jump on the ice at the right time. The coach doesn't stand behind a player and then suddenly say: "OK go ahead. You can now jump on." They are not kids.


Bednar not adjusting needs to stop. The players themselves have said quite a few times that he does. If he wouldn't the Avs wouldn't have so many come back wins. Yes talent has some to do with it but he also makes adjustments. I will give you that he doesn't adjust a lot during periods but he certainlly does between periods. The players need to execute better. They took four non-forced stupid penalties. FOUR. Bednar said himself yesterday that he was trying to get his stars going in the 2nd period and they couldn't. It wasn't because of the Stars' system. It was because the 1st line had another very average night playing-wise. Except for last night the points have been there but Mack and Mikko have not played very well. They look disinterested and not engaged for long period of time. Mack's passing has been really bad so far in these playoffs especially last night. Bednar cannot force them to play better. They are the ones that need to execute better and it starts with better effort. I lost count a long time ago in the WIN series how many time Mack has given up on a play when he loses the puck. No effort to get it back. The effort is not there from them unless they are down 3+ goals (except last night).

The adjustment he needs/needed to make last night had all to do with continuing to attempt to skate through to the trap system DeBoer was using. It’s not the first time he’s done that.

The Avs turned it on in the 3rd, but I question how much of it was them finally clicking and working & how much of it was Dallas sitting back and then suddenly having a hard time turning it back on and doing whatever they could to end it in regulation

 

[AllAboutAvs]

The adjustment he needs/needed to make last night had all to do with continuing to attempt to skate through to the trap system DeBoer was using. It’s not the first time he’s done that.

The Avs turned it on in the 3rd, but I question how much of it was them finally clicking and working & how much of it was Dallas sitting back and then suddenly having a hard time turning it back on and doing whatever they could to end it in regulation

Probably a bit of both I would say. I think they will play a lot better next game. They were just flat yesterday until midway through the 3rd IMO.

 

[Hasbro]

I guess i'm the minority that doesn't hate Duchene.

He was good while he was here and returned a boatload to help offset the atrocious drafting. If Duchene wanted to stay I don't think we win a cup.

It changed so much literally overnight. Went from “Sakic is a shit crony GM!” To “This team is going to win a cup soon!”

 

[Avs_19]

MacKinnon will come through big time tonight. New Gunna just dropped so you know he’s going to be fired up.