washington will lose money with a 25 million dollar payroll

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    I think if the worst team in the league made money we would have a problem.

    Why would an owner ever risk putting more money into such a team, if the return on investment may not be greater?
     

  4. So, where's the incentive for the owners of the Rangers, Wings, Leafs, etc.
     
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    Like the Clippers. Yeeeeeech.
     
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    I though the Caps were relatively healthy....

    big surprise here,
     
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    For the love of hockey, the tears of seeing his team lose and the laughs of seeing his team win?
     
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    The Caps are healthy ---- they have a strong ownership group and a hard core fan base (albeit a small one). Leonsis et al are not willing to put ot $50-million rosters any more, and I can't say I blame them.

    Keep in mind that the Caps do not have any controlling interest in MCI ---- they do not receive money from the luxury boxes, parking, or concessions. They do receive a small amount of advertising dollars during Capital games, but that is it. Until Leonsis receives the MCI and WSE, the Caps will lose money regardless of payroll or ticket revenues.

    If Leonsis were to sell or relocate the team he would lose his ability to purchase MCI and the whole kit and cabodle (which includes Ticketmaster, WSE, Wizards) from Pollin. That ain't gonna happen. So until then, Leonsis will minimize his loses with the Caps will rebuilding the team from scratch (something that should have happened years ago).
     
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    Probably not worth wasting your time to explain.....anyone talking about how a team should move should expect and deserves a kick in the mid-section

    its an obvious troll
     
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    I know, I know ----- I just get a little peeved when someone tells me my team should be moved/replace with an AHL team and knows nothing about what is really going on.

    :shakehead
     
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    Thats the objective of trolling....and where the kick comes into play
     
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    Well, I do have these Russian and Italian roots . . . maybe I should call in the "family" to take care of it.

    :naughty:
     
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    I thought you dyed your roots....thats tacky if you dont
     
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    well if thats your logic I guess many teams should be moved.....

    oh yea... *PUNCH*
     
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    Funny coming from a city that until two years ago couldn't support their own team . . . . (dad lives there) ..... and I suppose the Pens should have been moved three years ago ..... or the Thashers two years ago ..... or Chicago...... or Boston ..... and you meant every offense.
     
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    Just for kicks

    1992-93 Ottawa 10485/avg
    1992-93 Washington 15540/avg

    1993-94 Ottawa 10391
    1993-94 Washington 14673

    1994-95 Ottawa 9879
    1994-95 Washington 14159

    1995-96 Ottawa 13245
    1995-96 Washington 15155

    1996-97 Ottawa 15377
    1996-97 Washington 15672

    1998-99 Ottawa 17219
    1998-99 Washington 17281

    http://www.hockeyresearch.com/mfoster/business/nhl_attn.html


    so...to me its pretty clear Ottawa didnt start "supporting" thier team until they became one of the elite teams.....even during the expansion time when teams always get a break because people expect them to be bad and its the new game in town....one year they didnt crack 5 figures in avg attendance

    so...you were saying?
     
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    Well it looks like you two put the haters down.

    Good show!!!

    :teach:

    **All teams go through highs and lows, the Capitals are now in a downward trend, happens to every team in every league.
     
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    TERRIBLE TERRIBLE Comparison! Thats a bloody joke! I would give every expansion team at least 5 years minimum before I pulled any plug! You make no point!
     
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    yea, many teams should be moved! But I like to give expansion teams some time!

    PUNCH, hehehehehe!
     
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    is that so....ok...

    first five years for...

    Nashville
    17281
    16600
    15824
    14789
    13228

    San Jose
    10888
    11045
    16593
    17190
    17190

    Tampa Bay
    10014
    19549
    19934
    18892
    17419

    Ducks
    16938
    17174
    17155
    16977
    16908

    Ottawa
    10485
    10391
    9879
    13245
    15377

    Looks pretty clear to me that again, it wasnt until Ottawa showed some promise and some talent that they started to draw.....but to address your main point about how cities that dont support teams when they arent winning, and how they should be moved.....

    Should the Islanders be moved? I assume that you totally support the Jets move, of course Pit and Chicago should move too, right? Whats the cutoff anyway? Seeing how the attendance in Boston last season was less than 300 per game more than Washington, and that was for a winning team

    no....if someone here is lacking a point, it is you
     
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    those numbers for ottawa should be qualified that the sens played in a 10,000 seat arena their first few seasons.
     
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    leonsis' claim that the caps will lose money under the new cba with a $ 25 million payroll will likely be creative accounting for the I.R.S.

    not to get into an accounting debate, but i'm pretty certain the caps' revenues will exceed their expenses. whether their books show up like that is another story.



    :sarcasm:
     
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