Value of: Victor Rask and Justin Faulk to the Oilers

[ManofSteel55]

So both teams try to address their C/D issues by trading away a C and a D each. Thus after the deal CAR still needs to add a C and EDM still needs to add a D... not sure if that works.

This conversation has been getting too complicated. No need to add Rask or Klefbom here. Faulk for Nuge, add a secondary part or two where needed. Then the Oilers trade Klefbom for a winger elsewhere. Carolina adds to their scoring depth, which they need. Edmonton adds a RD and a winger, which they need.

 

[Chan790]

Because the Canes have a glut of middle-6 Cs...Rask is the necessary inclusion for the Canes if we're trading for a non-ideal top-6 C like RNH.

 

[rockinghockey]

Faulk has regessed each year no way in hell to I give RNH or Klefbom. At most he is worth a 2nd round pick. Every year for the last three he has regressed and CAR fans now realize that but want too much for him
RNH is also killing it with McD, we found a winger for McD

 

[CheMxDawG]

Faulk has regessed each year no way in hell to I give RNH or Klefbom. At most he is worth a 2nd round pick. Every year for the last three he has regressed and CAR fans now realize that but want too much for him
RNH is also killing it with McD, we found a winger for McD

He hasn't been regressing at all until this year, and still he's on pace to be just a few points shy of his average despite being snake bitten the entire season.

This narrative of regression is pure nonsense.

 

[RodTheBawd]

He hasn't been regressing at all until this year, and still he's on pace to be just a few points shy of his average despite being snake bitten the entire season.

This narrative of regression is pure nonsense.

First it was "he's just a PP specialist!" Then it was "he's TERRIBLE defensively!" Now it's "he's regressing!" He provides adequate defense for what he typically brings offensively, but for whatever reason can't get his shot off and is having a down year in terms of goal scoring. He won't continue to shoot at a 3% clip or whatever it is. Just another victim of HFB recency bias valuation.

 

[ManofSteel55]

First it was "he's just a PP specialist!" Then it was "he's TERRIBLE defensively!" Now it's "he's regressing!" He provides adequate defense for what he typically brings offensively, but for whatever reason can't get his shot off and is having a down year in terms of goal scoring. He won't continue to shoot at a 3% clip or whatever it is. Just another victim of HFB recency bias valuation.

I'd prefer a more rounded d-man, but a more rounded d-man is likely not available, or costs far more. Some people need to realize that a guy doesn't need to be perfect to be a good fit.

 

[Joey Moss]

Sign me up.

No kidding..

Klefbom => Faulk
RNH >> Rask

I'm really not sure on Faulk. Seems to be nothing more than a PP specialist who can move the puck. Poor in his own end. I don't move Klefbom while his value is significantly lower than it was last year for Faulk.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Rask has been playing with a broken foot that causes him to give up the puck under the slightest pressure or for no reason at all for...'bout 3 years now?

If he can get that healed, the Oilers would have a great 3rd line center.

'Canes wanna keep Faulk. He's had an off year, possibly because of an MCL tear that he came back from early last year which hampered his already average skating.

 

[StormCast]

I'd prefer a more rounded d-man, but a more rounded d-man is likely not available, or costs far more. Some people need to realize that a guy doesn't need to be perfect to be a good fit.

Faulk can eat queso like no other Dman so he can be very well-rounded very soon.

On a serious note, he's very partner-dependent on D. Without a steadying, veteran D partner, he's a different player without the puck. Could also impact his offense but hard to say for sure.

 

[David Tanabe]

Just have 'em, saves us a buyout

 

[bleedgreen]

Faulk has regessed each year no way in hell to I give RNH or Klefbom. At most he is worth a 2nd round pick. Every year for the last three he has regressed and CAR fans now realize that but want too much for him
RNH is also killing it with McD, we found a winger for McD

Right sided dman who has scored 15+ goals a season in the last three years before this one, is in his mid 20’s and he only returns a second round pick?

I’ll have two of whatever you had this morning.


The irony if you’re an Edmonton fan is overwhelming.

 

[OConnellsProtege]

First it was "he's just a PP specialist!" Then it was "he's TERRIBLE defensively!" Now it's "he's regressing!" He provides adequate defense for what he typically brings offensively, but for whatever reason can't get his shot off and is having a down year in terms of goal scoring. He won't continue to shoot at a 3% clip or whatever it is. Just another victim of HFB recency bias valuation.

This how how people described Torey Krug last year. TK is doing alright this year, Faulk should recover nicely as well, definitely don’t want to sell low on the guy.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Right sided dman who has scored 15+ goals a season in the last three years before this one, is in his mid 20’s and he only returns a second round pick?

I’ll have two of whatever you had this morning.


The irony if you’re an Edmonton fan is overwhelming.

The worst part of this is that the biggest need we've had for years now is a powerplay shooting RD. If it's Nuge for Faulk we're looking at, then our D looks good going into next year.

 

[RodTheBawd]

First it was "he's just a PP specialist!" Then it was "he's TERRIBLE defensively!" Now it's "he's regressing!" He provides adequate defense for what he typically brings offensively, but for whatever reason can't get his shot off and is having a down year in terms of goal scoring. He won't continue to shoot at a 3% clip or whatever it is. Just another victim of HFB recency bias valuation.

I'm really not sure on Faulk. Seems to be nothing more than a PP specialist who can move the puck. Poor in his own end. I don't move Klefbom while his value is significantly lower than it was last year for Faulk.

Beautiful.

 

[MinJaBen]

I'd prefer a more rounded d-man

We'll send him with a year's supply of boberry biscuits. He'll be nice and round.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Has Faulk regressed? Defensively, yes. I see a difference between 2013 Faulk and 2018 Faulk. To put it into perspective, earlier in his career, Faulk made the U.S. Olympic team with 30 point caliber production. As his offense started to develop, week to week consistency in the defensive zone became an issue. As time has further progressed, particularly after the Malone injury, it’s become a game to game, or even shift to shift type of deal. It's been a weird development curve.

I do wonder that if put in a system that limits his ability to aggressively gap up in the neutral zone, if his defense would stabilize. Faulk gets caught flat footed in the NZ more than any defenseman I can think of.

Offensively, I attribute the decline in numbers mostly to puck luck. His assists totals aren't going to be anything special on a team like Carolina; he's a goal scorer not a playmaker. In terms of goalscoring, Faulk is shooting at less than ~50% of his post-breakout percentage this season. I expect that to come back to the mean next season. He has 15-20 goal upside no problem. For that, I’m more hesitant than most to move on from him. We could easily be sitting here next year once again talking about how silly the idea of Faulk for RNH is, from a Carolina perspective.

 

[Joey Moss]

Beautiful.

I'm not a fan of +/- but in some cases it is pretty telling such as with Faulk.

His best rating over the last 4 seasons is a -18, which was last year. In the same year Slavin and Pesce were +23. That is a massive difference and relevant since they're on the same team.

I'll be interested to watch him tonight, I still think he might be a target for Edmonton as a PP guy but I have my questions.

 

[RodTheBawd]

I'm not a fan of +/- but in some cases it is pretty telling such as with Faulk.

His best rating over the last 4 seasons is a -18, which was last year. In the same year Slavin and Pesce were +23. That is a massive difference and relevant since they're on the same team.

Or... I don't know... watch the guy play? I'm not saying Faulk is some defensive stalwart, but he isn't bad by any means. The fact you labeled him as a PP specialist after coming off of a 13EV goal season is telling.

I couldn't have scripted a better post than what you dribbled out. The only thing missing to complete the trifecta was saying he's regressing.

 

[bluedevil58]

Drais.

 

[Joey Moss]

Or... I don't know... watch the guy play? I'm not saying Faulk is some defensive stalwart, but he isn't bad by any means. The fact you labeled him as a PP specialist after coming off of a 13EV goal season is telling.

I couldn't have scripted a better post than what you dribbled out. The only thing missing to complete the trifecta was saying he's regressing.

Let's be honest, if Faulk was steady in his own end as you say he is while being able to produce what he does as a captain, and on a very good contract he wouldn't be in proposals like this.

The numbers are telling.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Let's be honest, if Faulk was steady in his own end as you say he is while being able to produce what he does as a captain, and on a very good contract he wouldn't be in proposals like this.

The numbers are telling.

Canes fans aren’t trying to jettison him, Jesus f***ing Christ. He’s included in proposals like this BY FANS OF OTHER TEAMS WHO WANT HIM TO PLAY FOR THEIR TEAM.

f*** me, this place sometimes is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[hallhopkinseberle]

Idk if I would consider a Nuge for Faulk swap.

Nuge and McDavid are playing together atm and are looking good. Bear has looked good as a PPQB. I rather find a stopgap or a quick fix for that rhd with a bomb that the oilers are missin.

 

[DaveG]

Has Faulk regressed? Defensively, yes. I see a difference between 2013 Faulk and 2018 Faulk. To put it into perspective, earlier in his career, Faulk made the U.S. Olympic team with 30 point caliber production. As his offense started to develop, week to week consistency in the defensive zone became an issue. As time has further progressed, particularly after the Malone injury, it’s become a game to game, or even shift to shift type of deal. It's been a weird development curve.

I do wonder that if put in a system that limits his ability to aggressively gap up in the neutral zone, if his defense would stabilize. Faulk gets caught flat footed in the NZ more than any defenseman I can think of.

Offensively, I attribute the decline in numbers mostly to puck luck. His assists totals aren't going to be anything special on a team like Carolina; he's a goal scorer not a playmaker. In terms of goalscoring, Faulk is shooting at less than ~50% of his post-breakout percentage this season. I expect that to come back to the mean next season. He has 15-20 goal upside no problem. For that, I’m more hesitant than most to move on from him. We could easily be sitting here next year once again talking about how silly the idea of Faulk for RNH is, from a Carolina perspective.

Honestly I think much of Faulk's seeming game to game performance defensively comes down to the systems that Peters has the Canes run. He's never been the fastest guy out there, and to me he clearly struggles against faster teams like New Jersey, and yet against teams like LA he looks like a world beater. I think it's one of those things where if you put him in a different situation in a different system he'd look a lot better then he currently is playing.

 

[BudBundy]

First it was "he's just a PP specialist!" Then it was "he's TERRIBLE defensively!" Now it's "he's regressing!" He provides adequate defense for what he typically brings offensively, but for whatever reason can't get his shot off and is having a down year in terms of goal scoring. He won't continue to shoot at a 3% clip or whatever it is. Just another victim of HFB recency bias valuation.

I realize its a small sample size, but watching him tonight vs the Oilers he looks pretty awful, TBH. -4 tonight. Yeesh.

 

[DaveG]

I realize its a small sample size, but watching him tonight vs the Oilers he looks pretty awful, TBH. -4 tonight. Yeesh.

Not that you're wrong, but we have a guy in net that couldn't stop a beach ball, hard not to look like shit playing in front of that. A shooter tutor would literally be a better goaltender then Scott Darling. He's on pace to literally have the worst season since Vesa Toskala.