Vatanen Vs Gardiner

[The S5]

Gardiner isn't good.
It's Vatanen.

 

[Visul]

False

Since Jan 19th
Gardiner: 21pts, +8 in 24 games.
Vatanen: 16pts, -2 in in 26 games

Gardiner, and it isnt close

Why choose exactly Jan 19th? Nothing to do with Gardiner starting his point streak since then and to exclude Vatanen's 3 point night on Jan 18th? Lol, embarassing.

If you truly wanna take a look at their second halves of the season, then you split the season in half and start your watch from game 42.

Gardiner since Jan 4th (Leafs game 42)
29 games, 1 + 21 = 22, +5

Vatanen since Jan 14th (Devils game 42)
28 games, 2 + 18 = 20, +2

 

[Cotton]

Way to knitpick, Gardiner does make bonehead mistake from time to time but his ability to cover the passing lanes, his transitional game and his effectiveness at preventing controlled zone entries is what makes him an effective Dman in his own end. If Gardiner is terrible at his defensive assignments then what does that say about the rest of the Leafs' top 4 (Rielly, Zaitsev and Hainsey) considering Jake has the best GA/60 (by a wide margin), xGA/60, HDCA/60 (high danger shots against), SA/60 and HDCF% (high danger corsi %) among the Leafs' top 4 Dmen. If that was the case, then Andersen really deserves the Vezna for playing behind the worst defensive top 4 ever assembled am I right?

No no no, take every one of those advanced stats and stick them far up your ass my dude. It wasn’t Rielly or Zaitsev who watched Seguin skate around them to pick up his own rebound and score.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Vatanen quite easily

 

[tony d]

Close but Gardiner.

 

[lebdafor norris]

No no no, take every one of those advanced stats and stick them far up your ass my dude. It wasn’t Rielly or Zaitsev who watched Seguin skate around them to pick up his own rebound and score.

Dude watch the play again, Gardiner would have cleared the puck had the linesman not gotten in the way of his clearing attempt, yes Gardiner could have shown more hustle but it was an unfortunate play to begin with. Also GA/60 is not an advance stats, its simply goals against per 60 minutes (5 vs 5) and it shows us that the Leafs as a team allows significantly less goals against with Gardiner on ice compare to the other Leaf top 4 defenders. Really, using that Seguin goal as your whole argument for Jake not being a good Dman was pretty flawed to begin with.

 

[LeafGrief]

No no no, take every one of those advanced stats and stick them far up your ass my dude. It wasn’t Rielly or Zaitsev who watched Seguin skate around them to pick up his own rebound and score.

Meanwhile, it was Rielly that Seguin skated around to get the puck and pass to Benn on the first goal. Defensemen get beat on plays by elite forwards, it happens.

 

[MattySnipes]

Gardiner definitely gets his points but man his defensive game is worthy for me. Seen it for too many years I guess. Don't know much about Vatanen tbh, but he can't be worse than Jake can he? Ducks fans? Devils fans?

 

[DatSnipeMatthews]

I think it was Gardiner over the last few seasons, but Vatanen with the Devils has been a top pairing guy and is logging some pretty tough minutes.

Logging some pretty tough minutes on a mediocre team.

 

[zharkenby]

Logging some pretty tough minutes on a mediocre team.

Be more of a typical butt hurt leafs fan because an hf poll didn’t go your way lol. If the devils are mediocre, the leafs aren’t much better than that. Also the answer to this poll is quite easily vats.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Gardiner not close.

 

[rent free]

if vatanen doesn't have a mushy brain then him

 

[elmaco]

Vatanen not close.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Gardiner, not close. he beats Vatanen at everything and their QoC is extremely similar

 

[Saekk]

Vatanen, Gardiner not even in the same tier.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Vatanen is the better one, he was Ducks best shot blocker
in his time in Anaheim, he had most blocked shots.

- haven't checked his Devils tenure blocked shot stats,
but you would think his avg is one of the best.

He is very sound in own end and of lately (last 20+ games)
has found his long lost scoring touch, awesome for him,
he after all, when he came to the NHL was a offensive dman
now he has become more of a two-way d-man.

His break out passes from the d-zone this season in Devils jersey
me like, that's the stuff what was missing from his game
past year and half.

 

[BahlDeep]

Gardiner, not close. he beats Vatanen at everything and their QoC is extremely similar

LOL dude can't defend.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

LOL dude can't defend.

Weird how he beats Vatanen in gf% and xgf% if he can't defend

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Weird how he beats Vatanen in gf% and xgf% if he can't defend

Advanced stats....

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Vatanen, Gardiner not even in the same tier.

Got any stats to back that up?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Advanced stats....

I'd rather go by "advanced stats" than literally nothing

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Weird how he beats Vatanen in gf% and xgf% if he can't defend

Not dissing you,leafs, nor Gardiner, jut questioning advanced stats.

 

[BahlDeep]

Weird how he beats Vatanen in gf% and xgf% if he can't defend

It's just weird, it might be on of those stats that don't take in account the goaltender quality of play, like you know Andersen having a great season, and Cory and KK being shitty for a good part of the season, until lately where KK > Andersen.

 

[DatSnipeMatthews]

Vatanen quite easily

It must upset you that both are far better than anything on the oil dumpster fire of a blueline.

 

[BahlDeep]

I'd rather go by "advanced stats" than literally nothing

So you might as well not watch the games ( actually, I doubt you watch the games) and just post stats with no context.