Value Of Mcdonagh

[zeke]

The year we traded for Leetch but I think this Leaf team is closer than that Leaf team was.

Leetch was 35 when we got him, not exactly a stud dman anymore. He only played part of 1 season after being a leaf before retiring.

 

[Liferleafer]

How is acquiring a #1D in his prime a quick fix, especially if we can sign him? That's not a quick fix, that is a permanent fix.

Can we? How much? 8 million? So....using an 80 million dollar cap....

Matthews 10
Nylander 8
Marner 7
Marleau 6.5
McD 8

That's 39.5 for 5 players....we now need to fill out our 22 man roster by finding 17 players to play for 2.38 million. Oh wait....Andersen gets 5 million....Kadri gets 4.5....Rielly gets 5 million...

Now we are at 54 million for 8 players...no problem!! Easy to fill out a 22 man roster by finding 14 players to play at 1.85 million...Considering we only have McD and Rielly in this scenario....finding 4 more NHL D at that my prove challenging.

 

[zeke]

You're right...the Kessel trade never happened. Way to narrow the goal posts...i said trade high futures for quick fix....which is what this is.

Kessel is one of the best players we've ever had.

But we traded for him when the rest of the team sucked. But the rest of our team doesn't suck now. It's really damn good.

Think of it this way - McDonagh would turn this into one of the best dcorps in hockey, to go along with one of the best forwards corps in hockey.

 

[Pi]

Can we? How much? 8 million? So....using an 80 million dollar cap....

Matthews 10
Nylander 8
Marner 7
Marleau 6.5
McD 8

That's 39.5 for 5 players....we now need to fill out our 22 man roster by finding 17 players to play for 2.38 million. Oh wait....Andersen gets 5 million....Kadri gets 4.5....Rielly gets 5 million...

Now we are at 54 million for 8 players...no problem!! Easy to fill out a 22 man roster by finding 14 players to play at 1.85 million...

I doubt Marleau is going to be here in his 3rd year. I'd put the chance of him playing more than 2 seasons at close to zero.

What's wrong with the lineup zeke posted up a couple posts?

 

[zeke]

Can we? How much? 8 million? So....using an 80 million dollar cap....

Matthews 10
Nylander 8
Marner 7
Marleau 6.5
McD 8

That's 39.5 for 5 players....we now need to fill out our 22 man roster by finding 17 players to play for 2.38 million. Oh wait....Andersen gets 5 million....Kadri gets 4.5....Rielly gets 5 million...

Now we are at 54 million for 8 players...no problem!! Easy to fill out a 22 man roster by finding 14 players to play at 1.85 million...Considering we only have McD and Rielly in this scenario....finding 4 more NHL D at that my prove challenging.

I showed you how we could do it.

You responded by saying that having guys like Grundstrom/Leivo/Johnsson/Sosh fighting for top-9 spots is too much of a weakness to be worth adding a McDonagh

 

[Liferleafer]

I showed you how we could do it.

You responded by saying that having guys like Grundstrom/Leivo/Johnsson/Sosh fighting for top-9 spots is too much of a weakness to be worth adding a McDonagh

In my opinion, it is.

 

[Liferleafer]

I doubt Marleau is going to be here in his 3rd year. I'd put the chance of him playing more than 2 seasons at close to zero.

What's wrong with the lineup zeke posted up a couple posts?

Until that happens, his 6.5 is on the books in 2019...and that has to be accounted for.

 

[zeke]

In my opinion, it is.

I think you might want to look around the league, at even the good teams, and check out who their 6th/7th/8th/9th forwards are.

 

[Canovin]

Matthews is getting 12M at least. lol Marner is getting 8M at least. But yeah Marleau will be gone in 2 years when McDonagh needs to be extended

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Kessel is one of the best players we've ever had.

But we traded for him when the rest of the team sucked. But the rest of our team doesn't suck now. It's really damn good.

Think of it this way - McDonagh would turn this into one of the best dcorps in hockey, to go along with one of the best forwards corps in hockey.

One of the best players?? He was good, but putting Kessel on a level with Sundin, Sittler, Keon, Salming etc is um odd.

 

[Liferleafer]

I think you might want to look around the league, at even the good teams, and check out who their 6th/7th/8th/9th forwards are.

Why? You think replacing Bozak/JVR/Komarov/Fehr(Moore) with Leivo/Sosh/Grundstrom/Johnson/Gauthier is good? McD isn't making up for that drop off.

 

[Pi]

I think you might want to look around the league, at even the good teams, and check out who their 6th/7th/8th/9th forwards are.

Exactly. Having Bozak, JvR is a luxury right now. We certainly don't want to replace those guys with more forwards making the same amount of money.

What's the point of drafting hard working or two way guys like Grundstrom, Khorskov, Leivo, Johnsson etc if we don't use them.

I'll sacrifice Bozak and JvR's offence in a heartbeat to dramatically improve the D.

We're not talking about guys like Tanev. We're talking about an actual #1D.

 

[Liferleafer]

Kessel is one of the best players we've ever had.

But we traded for him when the rest of the team sucked. But the rest of our team doesn't suck now. It's really damn good.

Think of it this way - McDonagh would turn this into one of the best dcorps in hockey, to go along with one of the best forwards corps in hockey.

Sittler/Keon/Gilmour/Sundin/Mahavolich/Roberts/etc/etc/etc would all like to speak with you...

 

[Liferleafer]

Exactly. Having Bozak, JvR is a luxury right now. We certainly don't want to replace those guys with more forwards making the same amount of money.

What's the point of drafting hard working or two way guys like Grundstrom, Khorskov, Leivo, Johnsson etc if we don't use them.

I'll sacrifice Bozak and JvR's offence in a heartbeat to dramatically improve the D.

We're not talking about guys like Tanev. We're talking about an actual #1D.

Correct!!!! That's what youth is for...like Kapanen and Liljgren.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Mcdonagh*


If he is beeing traded i want a top 5 pick+ or a top prospect+

McDonagh*

I'd rather the Rangers keep McDonagh and worry about strengthening their center core and/or forwards in general.

 

[zeke]

One of the best players?? He was good, but putting Kessel on a level with Sundin, Sittler, Keon, Salming etc is um odd.

eh, over his 6 years as a Leaf, he was 5th in the nhl in goals and 16th in points. Over the middle 4yrs, he was 4th in goals and 5th in points. he was pretty damn awesome, and I'm not sure there are many leafs who have a comparable run to that.

 

[Pi]

Correct!!!! That's what youth is for...like Kapanen and Liljgren.

Sooner or later the Leafs will have to sacrifice some offense for defense. They might get lucky and get a guy like Doughty in UFA (when has that ever happened to the Leafs?) or they will have to give up assets to get a good D in return.

If McDonagh were to go on the market, I am certain the Leafs will make the right call and do everything possible to try and get him.

 

[Canovin]

x-Matthews(12)-Marner(8)
x-Nylander(8)-x
x-Kadri(4.5)-x
1-1-1

McDonagh(8.5)-Zaitsev(4.5)
Rielly(5)-x
1-1

Andersen(5)

That's 60.5M. It's doable if the cap rises to 80M in 2 years. You have 19.5M for 6 "x" players.

 

[zeke]

Why? You think replacing Bozak/JVR/Komarov/Fehr(Moore) with Leivo/Sosh/Grundstrom/Johnson/Gauthier is good? McD isn't making up for that drop off.

hey if you want a moore/fehr instead of gauthier, you'll still be able to afford it.

But yes, I think replacing Bozak/JVR/Komarov in the top-9 with the best 3 of Brown/Grundstrom/Sosh/Johnsson/Bracco/Korshkov/Brooks is more than fine, and defintely worth adding a stud #1 dman like McDonagh.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

eh, over his 6 years as a Leaf, he was 5th in the nhl in goals and 16th in points. Over the middle 4yrs, he was 4th in goals and 5th in points. he was pretty damn awesome, and I'm not sure there are many leafs who have a comparable run to that.

He was a great player. But I still wouldn't put him anywhere near the likes of Sundin, Sittler, Keon, Salming, Armstrong.

 

[Liferleafer]

x-Matthews(12)-Marner(8)
x-Nylander(8)-x
x-Kadri(4.5)-x
1-1-1

McDonagh(8.5)-Zaitsev(4.5)
Rielly(5)-x
1-1

Andersen(5)

That's 60.5M. It's doable if the cap rises to 80M in 2 years. You have 19.5M for 6 "x" players.

So. we need a top LW...2 2nd line wingers...2 3rd line wingers...a whole 4th line...a top 4D and a bottom pairing D....as well as a backup goalie...all at an average of 1.66 mil per? Sounds reasonable....

 

[zeke]

He was a great player. But I still wouldn't put him anywhere near the likes of Sundin, Sittler, Keon, Salming, Armstrong.

his offense is arguably better than any of theirs, and now he's got more cup rings than most of them.

 

[Canovin]

So. we need a top LW...2 2nd line wingers...2 3rd line wingers...a whole 4th line...a top 4D and a bottom pairing D....as well as a backup goalie...all at an average of 1.66 mil per? Sounds reasonable....

Pay your 4th liners and bottom pairing Ds 1m each. When your core is set, your team can get away with it.

 

[ToneDog]

Leetch was 35 when we got him, not exactly a stud dman anymore. He only played part of 1 season after being a leaf before retiring.

He was the closest to Leafs trading for a stud dman at the TDL (I did not consider age). He was still solid but he was on his last legs. He signed as a UFA the following year with the Bruins but may have only lasted 1 year. I don't think there has been a time but there is always room for a first

 

[ToneDog]

x-Matthews(12)-Marner(8)
x-Nylander(8)-x
x-Kadri(4.5)-x
1-1-1

McDonagh(8.5)-Zaitsev(4.5)
Rielly(5)-x
1-1

Andersen(5)

That's 60.5M. It's doable if the cap rises to 80M in 2 years. You have 19.5M for 6 "x" players.

I don't see Matthews, Marner and Nylander getting a combined $28M.