Kafka
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I know both players aren't playing the same position, but please give me, according to what they have yet shown at the professional level, your opinion about their future impact in NHL.
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Vaclav Nedorost VS Steve McCarty
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I'm going to assume you're talking about Blackhawks defenseman Steve McCarthy, correct?
Steve McCarthy- Since being taken high in the 1999 draft, Steve has had quite a bit of trouble adjusting his game to the NHL level. He has shown flashes of being a productive player in the AHL with the Norfolk Admirals, including a 28 point effort in 2001-2002, but has yet to bring that level of production to the NHL. He has missed a large portion of this season already, but it appears as if he was on his way to another subpar year. McCarthy is very closely approaching the bust level, which is a shame considering the type of offensive potential we thought he was capable of. With the Hawks rebuilding, we should get one last look at McCarthy next season before i'm going to write him off as a bust. I'd say his ceiling at this point would be a solid 30 point contributer, but he's got to learn the defensive aspects of the game better if he plans to stick on a full time basis.
Vaclav Nederost- Nederost has unlimited potential, this much is no secret. He is one of many Avalanche players that LaCroix might regret shipping out at one point. Despite his high billing, he hasn't really accomplished much at the NHL level either. Nederost has also missed time this season, but he appeared to be on his way to a decent season for the most part. He had 7 goals in 18 games at the AHL level and 4 goals in 28 games at the NHL level. While these numbers aren't impressive, they are better than anything else he had put up during his brief career. Nederost is tricky because Florida is stock full of talent at forward and he's going to have to impress in order to bypass a few players on the Panthers roster. I'm not sure if he's capable of playing the wing as well as forward, but that might be something the organization should look into. With Jokinen and Horton, the Center position is pretty well stocked at the moment. The eventual replacement of Kozlov, however, could be the job of Nederost if they feel he is capable. I don't see much middle ground with Vaclav though. In my opinion, he can't help you very much outside of your top 6. Ceiling on him in my opinion is 60 points. 20 goals and 40 helpers would be the type of season i'd think. However, he also needs to step it up next season.
Steve McCarthy- Since being taken high in the 1999 draft, Steve has had quite a bit of trouble adjusting his game to the NHL level. He has shown flashes of being a productive player in the AHL with the Norfolk Admirals, including a 28 point effort in 2001-2002, but has yet to bring that level of production to the NHL. He has missed a large portion of this season already, but it appears as if he was on his way to another subpar year. McCarthy is very closely approaching the bust level, which is a shame considering the type of offensive potential we thought he was capable of. With the Hawks rebuilding, we should get one last look at McCarthy next season before i'm going to write him off as a bust. I'd say his ceiling at this point would be a solid 30 point contributer, but he's got to learn the defensive aspects of the game better if he plans to stick on a full time basis.
Vaclav Nederost- Nederost has unlimited potential, this much is no secret. He is one of many Avalanche players that LaCroix might regret shipping out at one point. Despite his high billing, he hasn't really accomplished much at the NHL level either. Nederost has also missed time this season, but he appeared to be on his way to a decent season for the most part. He had 7 goals in 18 games at the AHL level and 4 goals in 28 games at the NHL level. While these numbers aren't impressive, they are better than anything else he had put up during his brief career. Nederost is tricky because Florida is stock full of talent at forward and he's going to have to impress in order to bypass a few players on the Panthers roster. I'm not sure if he's capable of playing the wing as well as forward, but that might be something the organization should look into. With Jokinen and Horton, the Center position is pretty well stocked at the moment. The eventual replacement of Kozlov, however, could be the job of Nederost if they feel he is capable. I don't see much middle ground with Vaclav though. In my opinion, he can't help you very much outside of your top 6. Ceiling on him in my opinion is 60 points. 20 goals and 40 helpers would be the type of season i'd think. However, he also needs to step it up next season.
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he's playing on our "Kid line" Nedorost-Weiss-Horton, and that line looked real good until horton got injured. Potentially our top line of the future.
Well, McCarthy came back recently and played 20 minutes in a game.... while Nedorost came back in the NHL and isn't lpaying a lot..... with Horton's injury, maybe he will play more during the last games. By the way, isn't he able to play at the three forward positions???
Thanks by the way.... in my mind, McCarthy was still having more chances to be an NHL regular than Nedorost... but I wasn't really sure.
Thanks by the way.... in my mind, McCarthy was still having more chances to be an NHL regular than Nedorost... but I wasn't really sure.
McCarthy is not even close to a bust. He was actually having a breakout year defensively before he got hurt. Like this year he will be 1 of the Hawks top 6 next year.
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Wally112pac said:
Considering the immense offensive potential he was touted for, he's more than likely going to bust on that aspect of his game. I'm not saying he's going to be a total wash as a prospect, but there were people claiming that he had 50-60 point potential just a few seasons ago. While I don't doubt he can turn it around and be a solid defensive defenseman, he's going to have to put some time in. So as for his original billing, he busted to that as far as i'm concerned.
Caniacforever said:
Who ever said he could put up 60 points? I've followed him since 99 and this is the 1st i've heard of this.
Me too.... it was always said he was the best D-man of is year, but not a no.1 or even not a no.2....... would Nick Schultz be a nice comparative?
I think McCarthy is still capable of putting up 40 plus points in a year, and I still think it's too early to be labelling him a bust, he's only 23
McCarthy is nowhere near busting. He had some troubles when first starting out in the bigs. That is not uncommon for young defenesemen. I watch at least 50% of Hawks games. Over the last few years McCarthy has looked extremely promising and often is the best Dman on the ice (not saying a whole lot considering our corps).
But considering we have had no veteran leadership on D the last couple years, McCarthy has come around despite that pressure.
If I were to compare it would be to someone like Weinrich. He passes well and can jump start a play. Although he may never win point contests, he has the potential to put up decent numbers while playing very solid defensively. I see him with more assists than goals. He is a very smart player and has learned good positioning (getting better every year). He won't ever clobber people, but he excells at tying up the man on the boards so his size has not become a detriment. He is now perhaps our best defensmen (along with Vandameer who is looking very good). Once our D corps improves I think McCarthy will settle in at #3 or an excellent #4 on a contender level team.
But considering we have had no veteran leadership on D the last couple years, McCarthy has come around despite that pressure.
If I were to compare it would be to someone like Weinrich. He passes well and can jump start a play. Although he may never win point contests, he has the potential to put up decent numbers while playing very solid defensively. I see him with more assists than goals. He is a very smart player and has learned good positioning (getting better every year). He won't ever clobber people, but he excells at tying up the man on the boards so his size has not become a detriment. He is now perhaps our best defensmen (along with Vandameer who is looking very good). Once our D corps improves I think McCarthy will settle in at #3 or an excellent #4 on a contender level team.
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