Raptors Discussion: v56|All-Star Saturday Night (Lowry in 3pt contest) Sat, Feb 13 8pm ET/5pm PT

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Stats01

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Pretty much what I'm saying.

If we're giving up some of these picks, we need to acquire the best player we can. And can we not help the Nets out? **** Brooklyn Masai.


I just think it's stupid...not only would we have to give up a 1st we'd have to give up the better player in Patterson to even out the salaries. It's just laughable that this is even being discussed. Like you said if we're serious about making a move, just go out and get the best guy you can get (Horford) don't settle for Thaddeus Young...ewww
 

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I just think it's stupid...not only would we have to give up a 1st we'd have to give up the better player in Patterson to even out the salaries. It's just laughable that this is even being discussed. Like you said if we're serious about making a move, just go out and get the best guy you can get (Horford) don't settle for Thaddeus Young...ewww

Thad Young is much better than PP though..like...way better.
 

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I just think it's stupid...not only would we have to give up a 1st we'd have to give up the better player in Patterson to even out the salaries. It's just laughable that this is even being discussed. Like you said if we're serious about making a move, just go out and get the best guy you can get (Horford) don't settle for Thaddeus Young...ewww

Totally agree. I don't think anyone out of the rumoured is worth moving PP + Picks for, other than Horford. Anderson, Faried, Thad Young are all flawed (either can't play D or can't shoot the 3).

If we're going to trade for a flawed player, I'd rather keep 2Pat and flip JJ + picks for a defensive specialist PF instead who can make up for Pat & Scola's deficiencies.
 

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According to the Toronto Sun, Toronto Raptors GM Masai Ujiri could target Thaddeus Young, Ryan Anderson, P.J. Tucker, Kenneth Faried, or Al Horford in a trade.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/02/16/who-the-raptors-could-target-in-a-trade

The truth of the matter is anything Ujiri might want to do between now and 3 p.m. Thursday when the trade deadline expires is extremely limited.

Short of parting with any of his core pieces, bringing in any one of the rumoured available players is going to be very tough.

Consider the often-touted answers to the Raptors (again presumed) lineup deficiencies. In no particular order they would be Ryan Anderson, Thaddeus Young, Kenneth Faried, P.J. Tucker, Markieff Morris and Al Horford.

Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski was reporting yesterday the Raptors aren’t interested in Morris so that leaves Young, Anderson, P.J. Tucker, Faried and Horford.

Tucker, with the smallest ticket, would appear to be the most makable trade assuming the Suns are making him available.

He is shooting 34% from beyond the arc, plays tough, inspired defence and would provide the Raptors insurance should DeMarre Carroll have trouble coming back from his knee scope.

The fact that there has been no indication Carroll is experiencing anything but a measured rehab makes this kind of move perhaps unnecessary.

Young is shooting just 21.7% from three this year and has never played on a winning team. He would not be an upgrade on the tandem of Luis Scola and Patrick Patterson that currently hold down the power forward position.

Anderson, a 38% three-point shooter this year would provide help there, but whatever gain you would get would be given back on the defensive end where he is not as strong.

Faried has a history with Ujiri who knows him well, but he doesn’t shoot threes and therefore doesn’t bring the floor-spacing kind of upgrade the Raptors would be looking for. There’s no denying his defensive bona-fides, but with a ticket almost as big as Horford’s, the latter would appear to be the better option.

THE RUMOURED RAPTORS

NAME TEAM 2015 SALARY

Thaddeus Young, Brooklyn, $9.41 million

Ryan Anderson, New Orleans, $8.5 million

Kenneth Faried, Denver, $11.236 million

PJ Tucker, Phoenix, $5.5-million

Markieff Morris, Phoenix, $8-million

Al Horford, Atlanta, $12-million
 

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According to Zack Lowe of ESPN, Chicago and Toronto had initial discussions on a Taj Gibson-Patrick Patterson swap that would give Chicago yet another stretch power forward and trim its tax bill, but those discussions appear to have led nowhere so far.

Jonas Valanciunas and Terrence Ross are on poison-pill deals that make them hard to trade; the Raps love Patterson, their most tradable, mid-sized contract; and Masai Ujiri, their GM, doesn't appear to be in love with any of the available power forwards who might displace Luis Scola, per several league sources.

Masai Ujiri might be wary of trading a first-round pick for Anderson, Young, Gibson, Kenneth Faried or Markieff Morris. None of those guys changes your life as a franchise. They bring baggage, holes in their game, or salary concerns for a team that will be capped out if they re-sign DeRozan. Those players don't catapult you into the conversation with the best Western Conference teams. Horford is a different story. It would take almost everything in the Toronto's arsenal to get him, but if they manage it, the Raps would have a good chance of re-signing him, sources say. Still, such a bold move is unlikely.

A small boost might be worth it if it costs only one of the following three assets: Patterson, the Knicks pick and Toronto's 2016 first-rounder.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14783975/the-nba-trade-deadline-full-big-names-cap-questions

The Bulls may also want quality rotation guys instead of just future assets; Chicago and Toronto had initial discussions on a Taj Gibson-Patrick Patterson swap that would give Chicago yet another stretch power forward and trim its tax bill, but those discussions appear to have led nowhere so far. Speaking of Toronto ...

THE RAPTORS AND THE WIN-NOW DILEMMA

A lot of signs in Drakeville point to stasis for the clear No. 2 team in the East. They're 14-2 in their past 16 games, and would be easy favorites over any potential No. 7 or No. 6 seed. Jonas Valanciunas and Terrence Ross are on poison-pill deals that make them hard to trade; the Raps love Patterson, their most tradable, mid-sized contract; and Masai Ujiri, their GM, doesn't appear to be in love with any of the available power forwards who might displace Luis Scola, per several league sources.

But the Drakes are masters at keeping the marketplace guessing, and they have extra goodies to deal at a time when winning at least one playoff series is something like an organizational mandate. Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan will never be better. The Scola-Valanciunas starting front-line has been flammable on defense, and it's unrealistic for now to count on DeMarre Carroll and James Johnson filling those minutes as small-ball power forwards; Carroll's recovery time from knee surgery is uncertain, and Dwane Casey, the Raps coach, hasn't trusted Johnson.

You can understand why Ujiri might be wary of trading a first-round pick for Anderson, Young, Gibson, Kenneth Faried or Markieff Morris. None of those guys changes your life as a franchise. They bring baggage, holes in their game, or salary concerns for a team that will be capped out if they re-sign DeRozan. Those players don't catapult you into the conversation with the best Western Conference teams. Horford is a different story. It would take almost everything in the Toronto's arsenal to get him, but if they manage it, the Raps would have a good chance of re-signing him, sources say. Still, such a bold move is unlikely.

But even those non-Horford guys are better than what Toronto has, and that incremental improvement might be the difference in a quarter, a game, or a series for a team with ugly postseason demons. Toronto cannot flame out in the playoffs again -- not with its grand ambitions in free agency. If the Raptors advance to Cleveland, Toronto will need to switch the LeBron-Love pick-and-roll as often as possible; Scola isn't up for that.

A small boost might be worth it if it costs only one of the following three assets: Patterson, the Knicks pick and Toronto's 2016 first-rounder.
 

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Wow I remember the name Sean marks when he was on the Raptors roster. I didn't realize he was a big wig with the Spurs. And now has been offered the GM job in Brooklyn. He's only 40. Amazing.
 

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http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/myth-busting-are-raptors-trade-targets-actually-an-upgrade/

This says what I've been thinking: the primary rumored PFs out there (Faried, Young, Morris) aren't enough of an upgrade on Scola/Patterson to be worth sacrificing one of the 1sts for. Ryan Anderson would be offensively superior, but his defence is just as bad. Basically it's Horford or nothing if you're going to spend big assets for something at PF.

He fits what we're trying to do, and I think we could re-sign him. Idk if I'd move the Knicks 1st or not, but if that's what it takes, I think I'd do it.
 

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This was a trade proposed on The Vertical earlier tonight : Trade 2


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for those who didn't read article : obv adding 2016 NY/Den pick and 2017 LAC pick
 

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No reason to move Biyombo.

I like Horford but he will cripple this team down the road. I'd rather stand pat or get aggressive and see if we can sell JV + the farm for Boogie.
 

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No reason to move Biyombo.

I like Horford but he will cripple this team down the road. I'd rather stand pat or get aggressive and see if we can sell JV + the farm for Boogie.

JV and Ross have poison pill contracts you would have to find a supremely stupid team to take on either contract.
 

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Please explain your logic.

JV is still on his rookie contract that is paying him 4+ mil this year, Ross is on his rookie contract as well paying him a little less than JV. Both players this past summer signed contract extensions that start next year with JV starting at 14 mil, Ross getting 9 mil. Both those increase in value by 2018 JV is set to be paid 16, Ross 11.

In the comment regarding acquiring Cousins he's already making 16 mil this year with his contract expiring after the 17-18 season. Cousins is arguably a top 10 player in the league a powder keg but a top 10 player. Ross/JV wouldn't get it done because the salaries don't match this year. Ross/JV/Patterson for Cousins wouldn't match because the Kings would be over the threshold. I have a hard time believing the Kings would take JV and his escalating contract starting next year when they have a better more productive player in Cousins.
 

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JV is still on his rookie contract that is paying him 4+ mil this year, Ross is on his rookie contract as well paying him a little less than JV. Both players this past summer signed contract extensions that start next year with JV starting at 14 mil, Ross getting 9 mil. Both those increase in value by 2018 JV is set to be paid 16, Ross 11.

In the comment regarding acquiring Cousins he's already making 16 mil this year with his contract expiring after the 17-18 season. Cousins is arguably a top 10 player in the league a powder keg but a top 10 player. Ross/JV wouldn't get it done because the salaries don't match this year. Ross/JV/Patterson for Cousins wouldn't match because the Kings would be over the threshold. I have a hard time believing the Kings would take JV and his escalating contract starting next year when they have a better more productive player in Cousins.

Your logic specifically when referring to the nature of the contracts; more specifically your premise that they are both "poison pill".

It seems rather hyperbolic, especially when one considers Valanciunas, who will be 24, 25, 26, 27 (his prime) during the life of the contract, is already a 20+ PER player, and will only take up ~15-18% of the Raptors cap over the life of said contract.

Please explain.
 
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